Lord of the Rings - [Amazon] *Spoilers*

The people banging on about woke are just as fukcin dense as those banging on about incels.

It does explain why both groups aren't fussed about canon or actual story as neither have been able to read it.

i have read it, and the Hobbit - just to be clear on that

As for someone mentioning the rights issue on Celeborne - he is specifically in the material they have the rights to - they have removed him deliberately - he has not been mentioned at all, nor has he been cast in a role

I believe this is rather deliberate, and is another blatant change of Galadriel's character - and i have already stated that i believe this reflects a wish to 'empower' Galadriel, and 'give her agency' -

Happy to be called dense though, as you are engaging in conversation- but i am expressing my opinion on this show - welcome to disagree of course

Would love to see a gif/meme of facial expression when she says 'conflicted' in this scene (sorry about source of clip).

Christ, it's pretty bland.

Spot on.

This is often said - things like "Star Trek was always woke" - referring to it being ahead of it's time, Uhura and Kirk kiss etc

It wasn't woke , it was truly progressive and classically liberal - but they are conflating this with being woke.

And that's where the misunderstanding comes from - why they think we are anti women, anti minority , anti gay etc...

Imagine if all Ian McKellen could talk about in promotional interviews 21 years ago was that he is gay.

Nothing about the fantastic epic project to bring Tolkien to the big screen, nothing about shooting in New Zealand and working with WETA - no, just about him being gay - because thats pretty much what the actor that plays Disa is doing.

It's embarrassing, did you see the interview where she goes on about playing a "Dwarf of colour", about the oppression of her people, when her people sing you can hear the years of oppression from their ancestors in their voice - really ? my mother in law grew up DIRT POOR ... so if my son sings will I hear some of that poverty and repression in his voice ??

Ironically in the show itself so far she is actually a pretty decent character!  There was a great moment just before Star Trek the next generation came out when some journalist said "As if in the 24th century they won't have a cure for baldness" to which Gene Roddenberry remarked "in the 24th century no one will care!"

 Brilliant! That is true progresson , if ST TNG was made today they'd keep going on about him being bald and still a captain, and Patrick Stewart would be saying in interviews how great it is that a bald man can get this job!!!

 When we see these questions of "how many women/gay/black/asian/trans/disabled/etc people do we have on this show" as nonsensical as we see "How many brown eyed people here?" or "how many blonde/redheads/brunnettes are here ? ..." - thats when we will truly be progressive.

 So people get mad when they sacrifice good story writing to tick these stupid boxes.

 If these people were so sexist and hate women why didn't they complain about Galadriel or Eowyn (who least we forget killed the witch king of Angmar...) in the PJ films ?

 Maybe because they were hired for being great actors and nailed their parts, and brought the Tolkien world to life.

You don't need an explanation why you shared it I was just commenting on the content of it but fair enough.

Also Liamtech guy seems to think Imdb being owned by Amazon is a new thing it may well be over 30 years old but it's owned by Amazon for at least 20 of them ffs.

To reiterate I haven't seen the show but these fanfare things are honestly the worst for true assessment.

I don't know why some people are so up in arms like there's something ontoward going on while at the same time dropping a dishonest review like the guy in vid pure n utter hypocrisy.

Alright.. just getting round to this.

1: Decent start. Seems to be big-picture from the get-go. Not just like fellowship with a big moment and then into the adventure but more of a wider eye on events. Characters, races and places well introduced. Thought the ending was clever with the

No one knows who space man is yet that's just people speculating. Same as with boat guy and Eminem guy (not seen yet)

Personally I reckon he is a wizard (I'm sure we will see one). But it would be a bit stupid for God to send him down in that state (but possible) so I think he was imprisoned by Sauron hence the flashbacks.

its not great but it isn't 1 star bad

I agree with you entirely - but there are those online in various places (including this thread) who genuinely wish to shut down debate, with ad hominem attacks on both reviewers, and fans. This is not the first time this has happened. Doctor who and its INSANE retcon (which murdered 60 odd years of Canon) was greeted with scorn by fans. Yet within days if not hours, articles started to appear attacking the fan reaction. And all of the usual accusations were thrown at fandom in general. One of the real low points was that fans, who had totally embraced the 13th doctor being female, were accused of being misogynists - think about that for a moment. They Loved Jodie Whitaker - loved her female incarnation of the doctor. YET - the moment they attack the shows lousy writing - boom -these fans are toxic, entitled, incel, racist, xenophobics, AND they were also MISOGYNISTS all along -

Have a look at the intro to this video - (watch it all if you care to, but the intro is the main sucker punch - )

Critical Drinker covered it but his intro is a perfect analogy for what exactly happened to the show - and sadly we are about watch this exact same phenomena play out again with LOTR

Of course some will claim that Drinker himself is toxic, entitled, incel, racist, xenophobic etc etc etc - and nothing you, (or I) can say, will change their minds -

you didn't really answer the question I asked.

even if one accepted that some 1STAR reviews were fake - there were plenty of 2 - 5 star reviews, where the viewer had clearly watched the show, disliked it - and offered their opinion on IMDB

Not to mention the fact that every single work on IMDB is open to the same possibility of fake reviews - the site is fair, when every single work of film or TV can be reviewed - and the score of each can be honestly compared and contrasted with everything else

What Amazon has done, is KILL IMDB - for the sake of ONE SHOW, which they insist - YOU MUST LIKE

~(and if you dont like it - its not that the show is garbage - its that you are toxic, entitled, misogynistic, racist etc etc etc yada yada)

The whole thing is a disgrace

So would you say that the 10/10 are also not believable as nothing can be that good? I believe both ends of the table are wide open to "reviews" with no basis in reality for sure by the way.