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Are there natural gas reserves in Germany?

If you don't agree with him you're a Putin bot! Darth Putin iirc lives in the US but tells us what's best for us here- which is nice!

I see some merit in your POV , the government and the Greens particularly have a lot to answer for. Why are they increasing carbon tax on Diesel when there is no other alternative for this commodity, its just charging more for something that has to be used. We don't have the numbers with regards electrical points to charge the EVs or EVs for that matter and we have poor transport links in the country so for someone living 10k or more out side of a town what alternatives other than driving have they got. Someone needs to grow a pair and frack away and get our own gas supply for say the next decade and the government need to roll back on the green agenda for the next decade. Yeah it does go against the whole green agenda but no point in us trying to save the planet if people are found freezing in their homes over the winter. You only have to look at the emissions Ireland are producing its a miniscule figure with regards to the amount being sent into the atmosphere China are up at nearly 30% the US at nearly 15%. Why in the hell are our government forcing a narrative of taxing a commodity that there is currently no replacement for at a time when the price for diesel/petrol has gone through the roof. We are being told our planet is going die in the next 100/1000/10000 years (depending on the expert) due to carbon emissions so their logic is lets look after the long term and phuck the short term, their approach will be to let everyone freeze over the next couple of years (how many people will die this way?). Putin has played this well don't get me wrong this will backfire spectacularly for all the oil and gas rich countries within a decade as people will no longer be addicted to their cheap oil and gas, but until our green energy technology evolves we should be fracking for gas and going into oil exploration to look after the short to medium term.

https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by-country/

Are you paid by an NGO? Serious question.

Couldn't they just import steel?

The issue is not a lack of energy per se, it's the cost of the energy.

If a certain raw material is costing more to produce wouldn't some industry down the line just import it if it's cheaper rather than paying extra?

The energy issue is confined to the Europe. I can't imagine the car industry shutting down rather than import steel from outside the EU.

Aluminium is going to be a big problem, Australia is the biggest exporter of the Bauxite. The sanction on Russia means they're not exporting there which used to be a big exporter (down 33% from loss of Ukraine plants & foreign bauxite import), the EU shutting down or reducing production, and then Australia and China in a trade tiff over it.

I used to find this thread irritating but I, now, find it funny. There are very few interesting posters with a balanced view. It is either “everything is well” or “it will be soooo bad”. It is amazing how some people translates article about energy restrictions this winter to “the EU will implode”, “no food”, “thousands will die of hypothermia”. And it is the same for the other side. I hope you will all stick around on this thread until next spring.

The year is 2050 and boards posters are still predicting the collapse of the EU 'within the next 6 months'.

It will be interesting to see if the E.U. have actually learned anything from their past interference in the energy market.

Their marginal pricing and taxonomy policies resulted in companies, (other than those state owned by Russia, which bizarrely with German urging they became reliant on), under-investing in fossil fuel extraction and which has added to the present crisis. Too little and far too late, they changed the taxonomy rules to include gas and nuclear, so it will be interesting to see what they will now do with the marginal pricing policy which has been making massive profits at the expense of consumers for renewable energy companies long before the present war in Ukraine.