Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Because Germany outsourced a massive amount of their energy requirements to Russia to look green, and lots of the EU followed?

A few week back I posted a letter in this thread from Patricia Ryan SF TD for Kildare in response to the homes getting built in Newbridge for Ukraine. Letterhead was her office and SF. SF’s policy was stated in that letter to support the government in this plan to house Ukraine people. If you are thinking that a SF government is going to change tack and support the second class paddy, you are sorely mistaken. They will definitely have lost a core vote in Newbridge in that effected area due to this. I can see a rainbow government crap full of independent’s for the next election.

Incredible to think the level of denial here.

But having said that that is not surprising the same defenders of the earth were defending government restrictions/lockdown policies, climate change initiatives and now this disaster! Not to mention the energy crisis where we have Ryan and media preaching to people to cut down on energy and stupid recommendations! 3 years of being spoken down to like children with waffle and nonsense.

All the while:

Health crisis worsens and we are taking in an uncapped amount of refugees which will lead to increased demand on an already stretched health service not to mention if Covid/flu kicks off in winter! Oh no but plant a few seeds on your south facing window, don`t pass the gravy boat and keep the windows open!

Accommodation crisis worsens and we are taking in an uncapped amount of refugees, (with construction closed at times during Covid!) so much so we cannot accommodate asylum seekers and they are sleeping on the streets. https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0906/1320970-asylum-seekers-ireland/

Energy crisis worsens and we are taking in an uncapped amount of refugees (who will not be watching energy usage like we are being told to and paying through the nose for it!) which will lead to increased demand on an already stretched energy resources! No but don`t use electricity at peak times, turn off this and that from Ryan! The likes of the bulls**t below is infuriating!

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/shock-and-awe-of-huge-energy-bills-will-frighten-families-into-curbing-energy-use-government-expects-41967833.html

How in the name of all that’s holy can one with a straight face defend this insanity at this stage! In typical fashion those that question these policies are climate change deniers, granny killers, xenophobes, racists etc while our country goes down the tubes.

Yes 100% refugees are not the problem, yes there is Covid, yes there is climate change  and we need to address these but not at the continual willful destruction of the economy, resources and services of our own country that our detached government seem to happy to engage in so they can look good, get cushy jobs in Europe and all while others in this country making millions from it. There has to be a limit and we have gone way beyond it. In years to come, in Ireland, typical fashion probably some kind of enquiry when it is too late and `but sure we didn`t know this would happen`!

Its one of the things I despise of us as a race is our willful tolerance of anything i.e. catholic church nonsense, covid lockdown restrictions, mass climate change hysteria now, this crisis and the energy crisis.

We have the same shower running (I should say ruining) the country through all this the last 3 years! No to spare Gas capacity, yes buy electric cars but we won`t be able to charge them! Idiotic policies the lot!

The usual mass hysteria nodding along no matter what they say. When do we actually say STOP!!

That's a lot of work you've done to try and discredit her.

Perhaps if you had spent more time on what she said in the article you would have noticed that she states that by choosing Ireland she wouldn't have had to learn a new language (London wouldn't have been an option unless she already had relatives there).

She's working in a care home - hardly the poster girl for "ripping the piss".

I follow this thread and patronising replies such as `Epic rant. I think you actually achieved a full house there` boil my p*ss! You were the same during Covid. This government can do no wrong! Engage properly and argue the points made or ignore and move on!

`More ambitious plans` are you actually serious!

We have a completely rudderless government given to mass hysteria yet again crucifying the Irish people with ridiculous myopic policies to appear to be meeting some target and look good internationally even though said policies do f**k all globally, will do more harm than good here in the long term, worse still when you have the likes of China and India who `don`t give a **** about polar bears`!

Renewable energy tech etc I have no doubt is good but don`t crucify your own citizens in trying to introduce it while there is an energy crisis, inflation effects from myopic covid policies and a refugee crisis rolled into one!. As I have said the level of detachment from those in government is baffling!

I shouldn`t have to argue this. A bit of cop on is all I ask from those in power!

It's a lot of work to read a news article (that was posted by someone else) and flick open instagram for a minute?

Can you answer these two questions please, maybe I just don't understand and am willing to put my hands up if I'm in the wrong:

1) Prior to the war she was able to live, according to the article that I did in fact read, in Paris & Barcelona. Why was language not a complication for her before?

2) As for her working in a care home, fair play to her, genuinely. It's great that she was able to find work as a refugee. But as a refugee, do you not find it strange that she would go back to the country she's afraid of living in due to the war, to attend some Modelling camp?

I can certainly give you my opinions (which is basically what the answers to your questions would be since I don't know anything about that lady beyond that article) but there's not much point in me doing that. That's because you clearly believe the worst things about this person and her intentions and nothing I say is going to change that mindset.

I am open to correction here, but I am pretty sure Ireland is by far the most generous country in Europe

That would be Switzerland, no? The one your Refugee left to come here and get less.

Well that is how a discussion works, someone makes a statement and someone else adds to it, refutes it etc. I don't believe the worst things about a person, I just said genuinely it's great that she's taking up work looking after the elderly.

My entire post was that what she was doing was a bit of a pisstake - leaving her country because she was afraid (due to a war), landing in a safe country (Poland), moving to Ireland (despite having previously lived in Barcelona, Paris & London) and then returning to her country for a (paid?) gig at a Model camp, when she is meant to be here (or any safe country) because she's afraid to live at home. Is this not kind of ripping the piss?

I am asking you, what exactly am I missing? Where am I wrong with the above statement? I am 100% open to changing my opinion.

On the basis that you're being genuine about being open to changing your opinion, then:

What is a "pisstake" about leaving her country because she was afraid?

So you flee in a hurry, because suddenly your country is being invaded (and end up in Poland). You're in a safe country and you can take stock. Given there's every likelihood you won't be able to return for some months to a year or two, why wouldn't you consider where would be best for you to spend that time?

This woman has English, so decided Ireland was an option. Others decide on other countries. It is perfectly fine and permitted to move from one EU country to another. No pisstake to be seen.

It appears to be for a week at the end of next month. I'd imagine she's going to do a risk assessment and will see what the situation is like in a month's time. Certainly, European leaders have been heading to Kyiv recently, and this hotel appears to be in a relatively safe location - in the Carpathian mountains, near Romania, almost directly south of Lviv. So feck all danger of invading troops at short notice. Still some danger from rockets or missiles, because they've been doing that all over Ukraine. You probably accept that, or you wouldn't think she was taking the piss.

Would I head there? No. Should she head there? I'd also say no. Is it taking the piss? I don't really think so. Her money, she's taking the risk, and it's for a week. I imagine she's wondering and weighing up should she completely put her life and career on hold, or try to at least keep her plans going.

The Russians don't seem to have attacked anywhere near EU borders in quite a while. And it's not like she's returning to her home town of Mykolaiv, which has been blown to ****.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w4EYl4uZZc

1) "What is a "pisstake" about leaving her country because she was afraid?" - Come on, you know well that I did not say her leaving her wartorn country was a pisstake.

2) Fair point on taking stock in the country and contemplating your options.

3) If someone leaves their country because they are afraid of the war, I would understand going back to check in on family or friends, especially those that are vulnerable. I'd also understand going back to collect something of importance to you, eg birth certs / photo's etc. But I do think that going back to a country you have left due to war, to do some modelling camp is ripping the piss and would make me think twice about the sincerity of someone's reasons to flee in the first place.

Irish taxpayers arent here to fund foreign folks free accommodation, food, social welfare and at the same time give them a free and open work permit (other legal non EU immigrants have to pass thru lots of hoops and pay 300 euro and wait months ) that they can then take off gallovanting around Europe as they please.

It costs us 130 Euro a day for many hotel fees alone.

You either need 'protection' or not. There's some of her fellow citizens in tents. There's African asylum seekers on the street!

Fine , go get a full time job and look after yourself why are we paying for this?

Also how do you know its a 'week' that she is gone.

Okay - you're not trying to have a discussion here, you're just picking out a few words here and there to suit your own agenda.

Take it easy.