Teachers working over summer

The Irish past-time, begrudery.

"Teachers have more time off than me, boo hoo."

If you are so envious of the time off teachers have off, why not go to college, study hard, get qualified and go and become one.

Non teachers complain about primary school holidays. Primary teachers moan about Secondary school holidays. And Secondary teachers are jealous of Third level holidays.

This is just the annual begrudgery thread.

Oh yes it is, Oh no it isn't, Oh yes it most definitely is 90% childcare.

That's how parents look at it anyways.

It's in their contracts. I'm cool with it.

If they want to feck off to Canada for a couple of months, enjoy yourselves.

As somebody said previously I couldn't do it for love nor money. Especially at late primary school.

30 precious crotch goblins and then try to balance education between different levels. I'd keep Middleton in business.

Also depends on the school. I help out mates kids on certain subjects. Junior/leaving cert. I knew them and they were motivated.

I will also add my mother was a teacher. Work didn't stop when the bell rang. But she was one of the good ones.

Now for younger teachers. They were hung out to dry by their union's.

I've no problem with that, that's part of the the terms and conditions of their job. And just for the record, I'm not a teacher nor is anybody in my family. That's probably why they went into that profession, because of the holidays.

For teachers who started after 2011, I doubt they went into the profession solely for the money. Newly qualified teachers start on €38,192 and it goes up roughly €1,000 per year after that. That's not great money after possibly 5 years of college. It's not terrible money, I'm not saying that either. The teachers who started before 2011 have far better terms and conditions (financially), I will say that.

He was having you on. A close relative is a third level lecturer and he's off from mid May to late September and about a month over Christmas. Even he jokes that it's a part time job, as the weekly hours are also very short. He can do school drop off and pick up of his kids 4 days a week.

Can I ask how long ago that was and how many tears did you do it for? And what size was the school?

Tenured in Engineering.

Not great money for a graduate!?

You're pulling the mick here.

Yes I'm aware most teaching graduates don't get a full time position straight away, but your idea of a poor wage at 23 is ridiculous.

Scrap the master I say and come up with a proper course. What was wrong with the hdip?

While we're at it can anyone tell me why tapayers are obliged to fund the teaching of religious propaganda as fact during the school day and what useful educational value this supposedly has?

Third level IoT sector = holidays defined in contract

70 days annual leave.

20th or 25th June (I can't recall which) to 1st September = approx 9 weeks

Plus Xmas plus Easter

University sector = it's more custom and practice, annual leave is not mentioned in contracts (at least in my place).

Nobody takes 9 weeks off during June/July/Aug.

I see staff taking two weeks off, and maybe other days other times.

What a load of absolute "Ireland is a catholic country so suck it up" drivel. It's not the 1950s any more and it's long past time our education system reflected that.

You yourself said "There is no reason the state should subsidize your personal decisions than anyone else." There is no reason why that should not also apply to expecting schools to spend weeks/months at taxpayer expense preparing kids for the personal decision of a parent to send their child to a religious event.

if its a Catholic ethos school, run by the Roman Catholic church, then I always try to teach with that in mind and never shy away from speaking about the gospel when doing any pastrol work with students. if it were a COI school i would still promote christainity and living your life in that tradition of the Bible teaching but I just wouldnt be as confident because i am not COI. In non religous run schools then it just doesnt happen. Educate Together and all these types are becoming more prevalent now for people that dont want religion in school. not too hard to get into either from what I heard.

Have you any link to the data to prove that?

Nobody said there was not oversubscription in certain areas for all school types.

If you haven't seen any data which suggests ETs are not more popular then what is this belief based upon exactly?

What about this?

Plenty of anecdotal evidence from when ET admission was purely on application date of people putting children's names down at birth and still not necessarily getting a place. Does that happen in any Catholic non-fee-paying school?

I'd much rather teachers had a break away from the kids (I'm a parent). While I'm sure they love doing their job, a break away is healthy for both kids and teachers. I'd also like that the person whom I'm asking to educate my child, is as relaxed and looking forward to September as possible.

I don't think it's so strange that somebody would read your comment and wonder if you're claiming to speak from experience.

I see now that you have shoehorned comments on 'social migrants' into a number of threads.

A non-teacher, claiming that 'social migrants' have made teaching difficult. OK. I get it.