Your New WHS Index

You got your 20 rounds in ?

Play any casual golf at all...if you were told you can play any golf you like , but there are rules around competitions ...you'd tell them where to go ?

That is a bit mad ...there is no sport in the world that doesn't have rules and entry requirements...

Yes I have 20 rounds in now but it took me all of the summer playing competitions on the weekend to get it. Only casual golf I play is a few holes here and there in the evenings in the summer. Your attitude is what's turning potential new members away, every new member isn't this handicap bandit bogeyman that you've made out. I started off with a handicap of 17 which I couldn't get cut until 4 months of playing and its at 15 now. I've won one competition this summer while off a handicap of 16 and my best score this year has been 42 points.

Just a side note.

would have loved to have seen you play in the boards society this year. I am just imagining Fix announce the winner of the captains prize in Mount Juliet as Ghandi from Ballyfermot ……… would be some odd looks around the place 🤣

Mods can this be removed.....

Your the one talking about inclusion.

🤣🤣🤣 They wouldn't have let me in there before the Irish Open that's for sure. They'd be no turf left for the pros to play on after I'm done hacking around.

In all seriousness though it probably comes back to clubs deciding what they want from their competitions. Do they want them to be open, inclusive, social events where everyone has a crack, which was the point of WHS, or do they want to emphasise the competitive element a bit more which sounds like it was the way under CONGU.

Well in fairness I don’t think it’s WHS was the point of making golf more open and inviting .

i think that is something that has improved massively over the last 20 years and is still evolving.

whs is just about handicapping and unifying the process throughout the world

Yes but massive downward adjustment to initial handicap and much much lower higher limit

The solution isn't making people go from having to submit 3 scores to 20

Yes...but your hardly going to change whs...that is unrealistic.

I'm into practical application of the process in the real world.

As someone very cleverly said ...if you don't have 20 rounds in, your handicap is not actually calculated correctly.

Now ...perhaps GI can change WHS application ? So fair enough if that is possible...but that is a bit Irish too....

I'm absolutely shocked that people actually expect to be able to sign up to a club ..crash bang wallop ..be able to win comps when as you can see from scores posted ...these people practically can't play golf.

My idea of sport and to be honest,practically everything in life and most irish people I know - is, you start something, you try , get to a certain point , progress, get to next level , look around try again , learn more , try harder. It is actual years....

People shooting 110 + , having 50 pts and winning events ...are people seriously on a golf forum proposing that is going to end well for club golf...

And , as anyone who knows me can attest, I'm all for casual golf , having a laugh , opening up of golf (even the R&A) Seve...

But if we have a club system enabling 50 pts and winning after 5 cards with scores in the 100s.

Genuinely, normal Club competitions will not be for me.

And at that point - and people are underestimating this aspect , not just me - but I would not take part in club competitions and maybe leave a club.

Because it is all about being casual now.....why bother with a club..

Opens ...work your handicap in casual rounds etc.....play scratch cups etc...

Guys --- I'm not saying it is actual bandits - I'm just saying the upper limits and ability to win comps too early are my main objections.

Upper limit of 27 (I'm being generous) - If you can't play to that, you can't win and you wouldn't expect to anyway.

Min 20 rounds. Take up another sport - or take your time , if you don't want to play 20 rounds - why do you think you can take part at the same level.

In theory WHS is a good idea (If Ireland is an odd place)

Stop dumbing down golf - it is hard and that is ok. With a bit of effort most able body people can get to 27 eventually.

I think prizes are way too big - and I've never been a fan (in any system) of overall winner.

Interclub golf is a scam - and that has been tolerated for way too long in Ireland.

That is it for me - I've unusual views for someone who has played a good bit of golf - but I can't sit back and see guys win comps off handicaps in 30s and 40s ----- honestly I can't watch that or be near it.

Agree with some of what you're saying, but what's the thinking on this one.

I've played the last couple of years in the hight teens range and found it a great experience and a lot of fun.

There's a few clubs maybe not playing in the right spirit, but everyone I've played with and against have been straight-up, capable of some great shots, but the deficiencies are obvious enough as to why they're not lower.

We had a nice meal in the Grange at their expense after they knocked us out and they were saying how Interclub is pretty much unique to Ireland. That's pretty cool imo and something to be celebrated and held on to.

Team sport is the ultimate and so uncommon generally in golf, so it's great to get that opportunity.

How do you put a thread on ignore - if another 50 pointer comes in - clubs going on adverts.

For **** Sake - I'm off to take up the guitar and try harder this time.

Class post 😂