Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I mentioned earlier in the thread that I knew a chap through work who supports Russia in this stuff and follows all the spin on that side. Well I was talking to him earliier today and going by him how the Russians are selling all this and the slow down for months on their side is:

There are apparently huge fortifications in Donbas built since 2014(paid for by the Yanks, of course) and the Russians are taking their time taking it inch by inch. Month by month is seems... Why they're slowed to feck all in the south too over months isn't mentioned...

They're not running out of ammo or going to north korea for same. They've decades of stockpiles apparently.

The stuff in the last few days is "nothing" and the Russian's essentially let them in and want to tie them up in the east, while building Russian forces in the south. Another feint, just like Kyiv. Oh and Russian troops in those areas were asked to retreat to save themselves, while reinforcements came up, and they said no and fought on. Oh and the reinforcements are tens of thousands of Russian troops. That after they take these fortifications they've a free run to the Dnieper.

Oh and Zelensky(the coke sniffer. this is mentioned a lot) has lost tens of thousands of his troops in the south and was told to make this push by Boris Johnson after his last visit or his backing would run out. That the west needed a win. That he claims to have seen videos of Ukrainian troops being slaughtered by Russian artillery as they made their way across open ground. That and 60 Ukrainian special forces slaughtered at the nuclear plant.

That Russia will keep pounding the Ukrainians, Ukraine is running out of fighters and this is why they're now conscripting women and when Russia gets to the Dnieper a deal will be done and the US/NATO/Boris will tell Zelensky to take it.

He firmly believes all of the above. So that's how they're apparently spinning it.

That kinda thing has been brushed off entirely, or it's all "NATO propaganda". Reality distortion fields are interesting to observe, wherever you find them. The singular advantage to living in the 'West' is that there are too many eyes and voices and they can be seen and heard, so while it can be confusing, and too many just go with their own truth, something approaching the actual truth will eventually out.

True Jm, though it could also depend on the area involved. We can go back and forth as to the history and the whys and how they were co-opted, but Russian Separatists exist, especially in areas like Donbas and actually wanted Russia to come in. It's not nearly so one sided in such areas. Especially after the Russians did invade. Many Nationalists would have understandably fled, or were "relocated", or even worse, killed, so what remains might be a little less happy with events.

Yup. Told ye above. This is how they're spinning it. That's the narrative. US/NATO is needing a win so coke sniffing Zelensky is trying to give it to them to keep support going. And it's believed just as fervently and consistently as the daftest utterances from the newly minted Slava Ukraine! crowd. And the 'One World Order/liberalism is perverting your children/World economic forum/Trump' types in the west lap this stuff up.

Ukraine is running out of soldiers. Russia is running out of bullets and shells. It'll be over by Christmas, or something...

Problem with this narrative is the US for example have now gone full on 'official' with this war/special military operation and have made it an actual campaign, with a general, staff, funding. They're in this for the medium haul at worst. And this is the US, the Amazon of war. The EU are moving away from reliance of putin's gas and oil. The sanctions that aren't hurting mother Russia clearly are as they're at pains to ask for their lifting in return for keeping the EU warm this winter. Russia has been hit with sanctions on a North Korean scale. China is happy to buy their oil and gas at firesale prices. They'll do little else for Mother Russia as economically Thailand alone is worth more to China in trade.

And it's interesting how there are so many losses and desertions in Kherson, yet the Russian lines haven't moved forward and this collapse in morale magically doesn't exist where Ukraine is speeding into Izyum, where Russian forces are/were also strong and defending the "republics" they recently invented, defended, supported and invaded. How does that work?

Look, the jig was up when Switzerland, those slithery in it for themselves, dangerous chocolate, cuckoo clock making, cow bell tosspots, only concerned about the ringing of greasy tills, who played both sides in WW2 and turned a blind eye to crimes against humanity of actual nazis, decided to move closer to NATO and the EU because of all this. That should have told putinists something.