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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We need to collectively tighten our carbon belts further

    Its astounding that further, more extreme, action is not being taken



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    The sale of diesel cars continues to collapse as electrics continue to increase.




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    After Kerry councilors came up with bizarre criteria for permitting of wind farms, it left only a narrow strip of the county where it would be possible to site them.

    The Office of Planning Regulator cautioned them against it and the Fine Gael Minister of State for Local Government, Peter Burke, put Kerry County Council on notice of his intention to revise their plan and to permit turbines in a much larger area over the county.

    Its still likely to come to a head and the councilors said they may take it to court if they are forced to change the plan, but I'm not sure they'll really have a leg to stand on as its within the role of the Minister to make whatever changes he sees fit



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    Very unlikely any further action will be taken over the next couple of years given the energy and cost of living crisis. But some emissions likely to reduce by virtue of individuals changing their behaviour to save money.



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    From that article: "Overall, renewable energy supply fell by 8 per cent last year, as energy from wind generation dropped by 15 per cent due to the low-wind conditions, leading to the greater use of coal and oil."

    What a surprise, fluctuating wind! So yes, more emissions from the reliables. Duh..So, instead of cutting emissions they went up. The proposed solution: controlling the citizens while keeping big businesses/transport running.btw, that's over 80% of energy use in Ireland for the latter. And please, do not take a shower between 5 and 8 pm. Do it in the middle of the night. Set the alarm! Also a great time to run your washing machine. Put in some earplugs. Job done, less guilt..😄



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  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Yep. Who wants a NEW diesel car nowadays? Would like to know 2nd hand diesel (and petrol) car sales . Anyway, those in the countryside with standard cars who really need them and cant afford a nice new EV will continue to get screwed..



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    Looks like the electric buses are scheduled to come into service in Athlone before the year end. Was kinda hoping we'd see them in place by now as the improvement in air quality alone around Athlone would be most welcome

    If I recall correctly, almost all the BE/DB fleet is supposed to be EV by 2030 if not sooner



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Its astounding you post links that are behind a pay wall ! We don't all pay for membership to the green times



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    There's a limit to free reads of articles on IT, thats all. I believe its 3 a week or something like that.

    Its based on cookies so clearing your cache resets the count or alternatively opening the link using incognito mode works too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Overall car sales are down year on year.

    From personal experience earlier on in the year the choice offered by Irish car dealers did not suit me, I had to go out of my way to find a second hand diesel.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    A drop in sales is a welcome thing indeed but for those that have no other option, its good to see EV's becoming the first choice for many.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    So you have absolutely nothing to back up your claim at all and are just throwing out a conspiracy theory for the Lols

    We know that Putin has troll farms dedicated to poisoning the discourse in social media. By your logic I could claim that you're one of those trolls



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    It`s even more astounding that greens still haven`t copped on that when the wind is not blowing wind turbines generate sfa. Last year electricity demand rose by 4.3%, wind energy dropped by 15.8%.

    The green answer to the problem. Throw 1 million EV`s and 600,000 heat pumps at the demand side while building an unknown and un-costed number of turbines based on nothing other than hope they eventually get it right, where last year alone had we 16 times the number of turbines it would not have covered even demand then.

    Just what Ireland needs, and for that matter the rest of Europe right now. Energy policy in the hands of a cult that cannot even do basic arithmetic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Would you explore Sinn Fein who who declared Tom Slab Murphy as a “good Republican” or People before profit, who are Marxists or FG who took money from Uber. If the greens where being controlled by the Russians wouldn’t they be pushing the use of Russian gas in Ireland, we certainly wouldn’t be taking in Ukrainian refugees if a government party was actually in the pocket of Putin.

    No, the question you posed wasn’t for legitimate reasons in so far as you care about national security you only threw it out to see how many of the crew here would like 👍 your post.

    🌪



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    If it’s irrelevant why do members keep rehashing it. A simple answer to you ravings.

    The government collect Tax. Allot of people drive diesels so the taxing it is an easy money cow.

    There have been since 2011 and 2020 two governments which have not had the greens as part of a coalition. The question you should be asking is why they didn’t reverse that decision.

    The final point I will make is that Gormley wasn’t single handed running the government Fianna Fáil had be far and away more power then the greens.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Junta 🤣. What’s is a junta: Well its a group of military officers ruling a country after seizing power. I doubt Eamon Ryan or any other Green has fired a gun in their lives.

    News flash, Sinn are socialist and so is every party on the left. Is there a list of who’s to travel by what or a someone from the government timing your showers. Give over your talking bolloxoligy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Since when are oil boilers illegal. It’s my understanding ER is in energy and environment not finance no 🤔



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    What would we do without the MNCs? €34 million per annum + administration costs all courtesy of the "golden goose" to whom we rent out our sitting room.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    As both a working musician and a part time music teacher just about making my own money to live none of that Arts funds will go my way. I always wonder what criteria they have for handing out free money. To me it looks like the same arts program they had in Holland in which 'artists' were required to produce x amount of works per annum and got paid for doing so with basically no criteria. Seems an expensive dole like funding. So, artists who cant earn enough money get support. Those who do dont. Should i now just give up my work, produce a few 'works' per year, have all the time exploring my creative side and get paid for it, the equivalent of the first Covid payment? Looks like a sweet deal. I have my own proposal: struggling artist are sent to hospices, hospitals, any place the public might have need for them and do some proper community work. There are quite a number of people that continue to get Arts grands to do their stuff, year on year because they know somebody on the Arts Council. Basically i think artists should be making their own money or take a job to support themselves. It is not the case that there are no jobs around is it? So yes, another great Green middle class idea..



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    This was my point Idiots here think you can just plug infinite amounts into the grid. Guess what you cant there will need to be huge investment in upgrading it to handle the extra load. Same with windmills you can't just keep plugging stuff in.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Whats your opinion on importing solar or batteries from china where there may gave been forced labour involved?

    Just wondering how consistent you are?

    The green movement oppose fracking because

    1. we need to get off fossil fuels
    2. It's dirtier than even the old dirty ways of extracting fossil fuels

    There is no upside other than maintaining the status quo, which the green movement do not want to maintain as doing so will drive us to extinction

    On the other hand, moving to solar/storage/wind etc may have downsides, but the long term benefit is that humans and many animal species don't go extinct within a few generations.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    We have one of the best wind resources of any country in the world

    You're objection to renewables in Ireland, is like someone saying to Saudi in the 1920s 'We've drilled 10 wells and 6 of them were dry, Lets just build Coal power stations"

    There's a thing called Critical mass. It is on the adoption curve of any new technology. Slow adoption curves while the technology matures, then exponential growth, until the old tech is completely obsolete. Oil reached critical mass in the early 20th century. Donkeys and horses of the world celebrated, but they were sent out to pasture. Oil and Gas and dominated for 90 years before we burned most of it and are left looking for something to replace it. Renewables are approaching critical mass but renewables don't run out. Renewables are the future. Oil and Gas are the past.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    How will you store the wasted energy you can't burn out the grid ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    We need to upgrade the grid.

    Well, that's optional, we only need to do it if we want reliable electricity piped into everyone's home

    That requires investment. Privatisation of utilities have starved them of long term investment. We're left holding the can now, but we are where we are.

    Grid modernisation is essential. You can decide what economic model to apply to the modernisation project, that's a valid debate, but the fact that it's necessary is beyond dispute.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    What are you blattering about on critical mass in the context of wind energy. The critical mass of turbines to reach the green Nirvana of 100% last year was 16X the number turbines we had last year. So what will the critical mass be when 1 million Ev`s and 600,000 heat pumps are added and what will that cost ?

    Adoption curves have sweet f a to do with calculating the number of turbines needed to reach critical mass because wind is intermittent. And neither does the nameplate capacity. The numbers required are determined by the worst case scenario, and three times in the past year that was for extended periods wind plus hydro only generating 6% and less, so at 16X I was being overly generous.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Several options - When there is storage on the grid, it can balance out the demand over the full day. This means we don't need as many generators because we're not generating to cover the peak, we're generating to cover the average demand with grid servicing balancing out demand through storage and interconnectors.

    1. Store it in batteries. Not Grid scale, but local scale. (cars recharge when demand is low, industry and grid servicing recharge local storage when prices are low)
    2. Load shedding. Get people/Commercial/industrial users to use the power when it's abundant, and delay using it when it's over subscribed.
    3. Efficiency increases. - Better insulation, more efficient lighting, heating and transport.
    4. Green Hydrogen - use extra energy to electrolyse hydrogen - this can then be stored for the rare events where there is a continent wide shortage of renewable energy.
    5. Desalination - use excess renewable power to drive desalination of sea water. Fresh drinking water will be worth more than oil in decades to come)
    6. Interconnectors - sell surplus and buy when supply is low
    7. Pumped Hydro - use the existing facilities plus maybe add some more according to our geography
    8. Solar - complimentary to wind, usually solar is higher when wind power is lower
    9. Biomass
    10. Nuclear (via interconnectors)
    11. Domestic generation and storage reducing peak demand
    12. Commercial grid servicing providers using storage to store surplus renewable energy to sell when demand is high
    13. Smart meters
    14. many more options I haven't had time to go through
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  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Renewables can only be used on a massive scale if the energy use is where it is produced as it has no storage and transportation capacity outside of batteries and the current battery tech is insufficient both in storage and the recources to make them. Outside of grid problems one might think of a link up with more reliable technology right next to it to deal with both insufficient supply (no wind/ clouds) and energy transfer. That can be any number of things and new tech might deliver. In this geography really matters.I see it as a joined up enterprise, a bit like a standard transportation system with busses, trains, cars and bikes. A diversity of efficient technology (which likely has to include nuclear as a transitional source) to get the best outcome for the people. That way people WILL support green tech without having to force them into compliance with green rules set up to make things worse as they clearly are and will. This diverse and linked up thinking has the flexibility of replacing certain elements with others if better technology arises. It gives the system the chance to adapt. I actually think most people are on board with this. The climate panic runs contrary to that idea. It is by its very nature apocalyptic. Im glad to see pushback and hope we reach some equilibrium of thinking. This Covid to climate panic transition needs to go down further and peter out to get to a more useful state of affairs. Cool heads need to prevail.



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