"Green" policies are destroying this country

There are posters on this forum topic so entrenched that they are willingly blind and deaf to arguments and keep on spouting the same old non runners. The only way that i can think of why that is is to take their postings and just see them as contextless data points in a battle that a: cant be won on arguments, b: uses anything as ammunition and let rip and c: has the advantage of annoying people. It is not worth debating but this is not a debate, argument counter argument kind of thing. They just see the topic and decide to display their stupidity that runs counter to the topic. You know , it's great entertainment for the feeble minded.That's of course normal when you are 16 but i do get the impression that some are quite a bit older. Again, i wish i could just put them on ignore but it is clear that they want to be the little self righteous annoying people the Greens usually are. In that regard it actually confirms the prejudice many have against them. Maybe i just better feel happy about that and take some positives home. So, i thank them for confirming what we already suspected and salute them in being steadfast in their convictions in the light of overwhelming evidence against their propositions..

Learn about the OSS here, the quotes are unbelievable, see posts 1895 and 1896, this the type of expense the greens want to inflict on us.

post 1895

We're dealing with an OSS for a possible retrofit on a 1999 2-Storey, Detached, 180 sq m, with brick-faced Cavity Wall construction, 20 year old double glazing and a gas boiler of the same vintage. Scope includes cavity & attic insulation measures, mech. ventilation, TG windows, composite doors and an 8.5kW Mitsubishi Ecodan HP.

Total costs are higher than expected at €61,180 plus VAT, but we're not completely shocked given the times we're in. We recognise that the insulation and airtightness works are messy/costly due to 2 Dormer Rooms and a leaky suspended floor. But the HP is *a lot* higher than expected at €23,920 plus VAT. Details attached. Any comments appreciated.

post 1896,

That's not the worst OSS quote I've seen. I was being quoted around €100k for the wrap, heat recovery vents, suspended floor insulation, new rads and a hp.

They were quoting insane numbers for the wrap 3x the price I paid and I'm currently getting quotes for HP closer to €6k and every single one ignored my request for solar.

I felt like the OSS were taking the hand and inflating prices where they could and then including a project management fee. So I went and priced it up and done it all myself for about €55k including solar. I have yet to get the HP in but I'm fairly confident it'll be significantly less than the OSS.

Competitively priced - ha, ha. I once went skiing in Switzerland with my son. The train ticket from Zurich to the town with the bus to the resort was appraching tripple the cost of the flights.

Next fantasy?

It doesnt matter. The Greens do..not..care. It is not about balance but ideology. They have an aim, a target and will walk over bodies to get there. In that way the mindset is not far removed from communists of all sorts, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao. It is revolutionary in nature.In the West it is, at the moment, the most succesful ideology supported by almost all governments and media. Ignorant CEOs go along with this as do those fearful of a backlash if they protest or not implement green rules. It is in essence a kind of modern fascism in disguise. It is on par with the Woke world where we can see the same things happening.In the west we are now living in the world that was conjured up in the late 60s- early 70s. It is in education, politics, media. It is the revenge of the Boomer generation against the previous one. They have reaped the rewards and are now either retired or about to. They have educated the next generation badly, to make them feel guilty about the past and negate the positives that they themselves have profited from. So, now this mollycuddled middle class storm of self hate (read hate of the West) regard the working class with contempt even though they constantly talk about them. The working class needs to be saved, by them from the sin of the west. It is exactly these type of faux intellectuals who are found in the frontline of any 'movement', from the Jacobins to the Marxists. They usually do not start these movements but quickly seize power.They are smart enough to weaponize the right intellectuals and ideas to suit their fight, then pretend it is a grassroots movement. You know, power to the people. God help us..

Not all plain sailing withing government on the issue either. Wopke Hoekstra, leader of the Christian Democrats raised a few eyebrows within the coalition when he said the goal of reducing nitrogen emissions by 50% by 2030 are not "sacred". a few weeks ago.