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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It was one of the most extraordinary defenses, will likely go down in history. Incredible resistance all across the country. These are people fighting for democracy, their freedom, their lives, their land, their identity, their culture against a brutal tyrant who only wants to expand his empire. Hope the world keeps sending weapons to help the Ukrainians defend themselves.

    It's always hilarious seeing a conspiracy theorist of all people tripping over themselves to defend a totalitarian police state, but it figures.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    You're living in a different world. He's hell-bent on taking over Ukraine. Why didn't he mobilize the whole nation and declare war? Why haven't you ever addressed this? What's he waiting for since you guys think he wants to annex entire countries past Ukraine? 

    Then he'll have a million men or more and he'll take out the Ukrainians? I don't think Putin wants all-out war with Ukraine to rule it in the end, his main goals seem to be what he said on TV before the invasion. His army has set a goal to take Donbas and Lugansk. Now if you say he wants a friendly government to Russia inside Ukraine, then I'm with you there, but I don't see a war plan for the full takeover here at all. It would require a full declaration of war. You guys totally ignore that..  

    Ukraine has mobilized the entire country for war. Russia hasn't. It's impressive that the Russians are gaining a foothold in the east despite all odds. In April, Ukraine probably had a 3-1 advantage on the ground. They had 300,000 men/women before the war started and probably doubled that in the months following the war. Hard to receive accurate numbers from the Ukraine army though. Ukraine's losses aren't accurate since Russia only has 200,000 soldiers. So how could the Russians push them back if only 8000 were killed? It's not surprising Ukraine lies about a lot of stuff. 

    They wouldn't be fighting for the country they faced up to some realities that Russia would never accept them joining Nato and trying to take back Donbas and Lugansk by military ways was never going to work. Completely ignore that Putin tried to reason with the west before he invaded and he got threatened instead. Diplomacy like this is what caused this war and now threatens a third world war. It's all rhetoric from your kind till it's all too late and Russia decides the west is gone too far and major war breaks out across Europe with everyone behind the computer talking tough right now will be killed. They don't even know that Russia decides the fate of this planet here since they seem so blind to the fact that these weapons are killing Russian soldiers in another country, which would be considered an act of war by most nations!!! 

    People in another thread think it's the 1940s, so they poke the bear with a stick and there are no consequences. If Russia strikes back at a Nato installation everyone will be **** their pants and worried, right? Let's hope the new missile systems avoid hitting Russia. West don't think that far ahead. So you end up with Putin invading 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,096 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Nope, the Azovstal men and women are widely seen as heroes. And they are. The Ukrainians have earned the respect of the world.

    Putin on the other hand has lost any pretences, he's the new Hitler, the personification of evil. A tyrannical klepocrat and petty thief, trying to steal as much land and resources, like his troops, now famous for stealing toilets and washing machines. Any veneer or act is completely gone, there are absolutely no doubts anymore.

    Western powers have been pretty spot on with their intelligence, they called it, their response has been decent.

    You can't really get a more black/white situation, and this is what drives the cranks crazy. They invested so much time inventing a narrative, then reality comes along and shatters it. Once they could slip their views in as mainstream, now they've been relegated to ranting and raving about it on conspiracy forums, where it all belongs



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Widely regarded as heroes with nazi tattoos??? That shows where you're coming from. I wouldn't call hiding deep underground impressive. Why didn't the Neo Nazis fight back instead of hiding? There is no helping you actually believe Azov are war heroes you're the same people be supporting the SS in Germany, lived there back then.   

    Ukraine was never a country until 1991. Part of the Soviet Union ( Russia) for most of its history in the 20th century. The only reason it's a war is that the younger generation has forgotten their history and wants to rebuild the state on some crazy ideology based on Banderism. Zelensky can't control it because he let it fester too long, and now the neo nazis are running things. Despite banning left and right parties' opposition, he allowed one nationalist/neo nazi party to stay. So in this conspiracy theory, can't call out neo/nazis around the world? I just see that Russia has a point that there's a lot of white nationalism going on in Ukraine and is very dangerous. When has Moscow had a white nationalism/neo nazi flag march? I could go on google and pull down images that show neo nazis marching through the city center of Kyiv. Because they hate the Russians so much, they ignore all the bad here, 

    Western intelligence hasn't been good, partly because they wanted to keep the war going. I think some of the intelligence is deliberate misdirection. 

    Anyhow. In April and May, the UK MOD and US DOD said Ukraine won the east, supplies were depleted, Russian forces were demoralized, refusing to fight, and morale was low. and they have no cruise missiles left ( march story), the stories are endless, of course, none of this is true. A demoralized army doesn't win battles. There are even stories that Putin, as depicted on television, is not real and is already deceased. Seen some real crap stories about Russia that dont make sense. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,096 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I've seen Hells Angels with more Nazi regalia.

    The steelworks men and women held up multiple Russian BTG's

    Bizarre. I've never read any story about the Russians having no cruise missiles left, and I've been following the conflict daily, from a wide variety of sources, link to it? This better not be a solitary blog or story, likewise some spin you've put on another story (e.g. speculation that their cruise missile inventory was running low which is something completely different)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Again man. You're a holocaust denier.

    How come you don't get so upset with all the links your holocaust denial had to nazis?

    Just ok with those nazis cause they agree with you?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Back in March, I read these stories. Here's one from April 4.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/putin-running-out-missiles-jets-26627647

    Anyone who knows anything about Russia knows it has own military industrial complex so they can make and import missiles parts on the fly from its allies like Iran and China and others. 

    Now that we're in June, when do the Russians start running out of jets tanks, and missiles? There are more stories like this on US and UK official websites, but I didn't save them to show how ridiculous it all gets. Just for laughs, maybe I should.  

    Comparing Hells Angels to Azovs / Neo Nazis. Do not enter their bars and say that!!

    BTGs weren't held back, they were on top of where people lived, And many redeployed weeks before the surrender. 

     The Azov and Ukrainian marines hid underground and hid until they ran out of food, water, and medicine. there was barely any resistance at all. Your kind of outlook fought bare-fisted to the end, and fought street to street. That's funny, but knowing you're delusional about other things, it's not surprising. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Oh so you got it from a tabloid in April, and according to them:

    "Russian forces are running out of key military equipment and weapons as their parts are made in Ukrainian factories, it has been claimed.

    Vladimir Putin's war effort is ironically reliant on the manufacturing power of the nation he's invaded, with his warships, tanks, missiles and fighter jets needing components from the opposition, sources say."

    Whereas you wrote:

    and they have no cruise missiles left ( march story)

    I don't see any mention that there are "no cruise missiles" left. What's the source for that?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Running out of cruise missiles because of Ukraine shouldnt Russia have depleted the supplies since the war started in Feb?

     June now. 

    This is too much for you, this newspaper headline is 2 months old and it's still fighting

     Of course, the context doesn't make any sense but that what the report was saying Russia was running out of cruise missiles two months ago. When is this going to happen here? You running out of cruise missiles in March and early April then your stock levels are drastically low at that time. 

    I've been reading these reports online for months and nothing's changed, so this is just one report, countless others. No sign at all Russia is running out of missiles. If the newspaper shock headline is correct, they should be no cruise missile strikes at all here.


     



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Again you wrote:

    and they have no cruise missiles left ( march story)

    First of all, it would be utterly nonsensical for Russia to fire every single one of it's cruise missiles so it has none left. Another leap to suggest having nothing left in March, which was only a month into the war.

    Where is this March story which claims Russia has no cruise missiles left?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S





    Looks like ISW got itself in trouble listening to Ukraine bullshit stories about laying a trap for Russian forces inside Severodonetsk. Backtracking is great, the comments from the idiots are gold.

    ISW knows they got lied to, but they're using language to avoid telling the truth about what they found out.

    The Ukrainian flag supporters comments are gold




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol and dodged dohnjoes question entirely and trying to deflect to a new topic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Hilarious. You completely evade the question and deflect onto something else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    However, in an interview with Interfax last week, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov dismissed claims that Russia was running out of precision-guided missiles.

    "If you believe everything that they say on the other side, Russia should have run out of missiles in March. But for some reason it didn't end," Borisov said to Interfax. "The military-industrial complex supplies our army with all the necessary range of missiles in the required volumes. The stocks of modern high-precision missiles and ammunition are enough to fulfill all the tasks assigned to the Russian Armed Forces."

    Even the Russians understand when you claim your stocks are low you only got a limited window before you run out. These stories were everywhere in March, but June air cruise missiles are still flying to targets across Ukraine




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    It appears that when someone like you surrounds themselves in bullshit and lies, that they take an illogic approach when people correct themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    So there is no report or story from March which claimed the Russians had no cruise missiles left.

    You could have just admitted you made a mistake.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    If you believe everything that they say on the other side, Russia should have run out of missiles in March. But for some reason it didn't end," Borisov said to Interfax. 

    What exactly am I apologizing for? The Russians are making fun of western statements about their missile inventory, and a specific month was even given.  



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Ukraine lied for days that they retook most of the city back in some made-up fake counteroffensive. In truth, this never happened and ISW was forced to issue an apology to avoid looking foolish. They don't filter much of what comes in from the Ukraine side,

    There was just no way to hide this one, Russia was in control of over 70 percent of the city and Ukraine was pretending for days they held 70 percent of it. They claim they brought Russians into a trap, killed countless soldiers, destroyed equipment in this trap, and counterattacked.  The end was all bullshit.

     

    All that mess highlighted in the two tweets from ISW, i warned you about this, but I'm sure this will be ignored like most stuff on here.,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Most humans will admit when they are wrong. Conspiracy theorists won’t and they find fault with those why can admit when they are wrong. It’s very messed up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    You get this kind of crap when you stop hearing about the other side and start printing imaginary battle scenes as real. The latest one from Kherson says there's a major counteroffensive going on. Bullshit. When things are really bad, it seems to happen, and from what I'm seeing, the east is falling apart for Ukraine. Might only have a few days to retreat before it's all over in Lugansk. Donbass is very bleak too,. Russia is getting really close to Sloviansk. The Ukrainians could lose a large portion of their best forces over the next few weeks. Can they defend the rest of Ukraine with conscripts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Who's Borisov and what reports is he referencing?

    Again, I see no report or story that Russia has no cruise missiles left. Where are these claims?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Ukraine now seems to admit that at least half of its heavy equipment has been destroyed by Russia. I bet it'll be higher if Ukraine admits even this. They're desperate for more heavy weapons from the west, having lost so much gear. The large standing army still takes a long time to grind down. You've got 500,000 or more people who are willing to fight back the Russian army that war takes time. Russia soldiers are doing well without mobilization. 

     Quote Brig. Gen. Volodymyr Karpenko, Ukraine's land forces command logistics commander

     I'm not going to talk about the anti-tank guided missiles or anti-tank guided weapons for now. I’m just talking about heavy weapons. As of today, we have approximately 30 to 40, sometimes up to 50 percent of losses of equipment as a result of active combat. So, we have lost approximately 50 percent. … Approximately 1,300 infantry fighting vehicles have been lost, 400 tanks, 700 artillery systems.

    https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/6/15/ukraine-to-us-defense-industry-we-need-long-range-precision-weapons



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jaysus coming into this thread for that last post is like walking in on someone having a ****.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭PCeeeee


    ??7



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    You sound so happy for your boy Putin.


    Also still funny you keep pretending to be an expert when in the next post you are clear just reading shite off Twitter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Load of armchair generals you have quoted there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,706 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Russian disinformation from a poster who admits they are posting from Moscow, pure Russian propaganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Finally the good guys are winning, another victory against the global elites.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    I quoted them for laughs. Many board pundits got nothing right since the Kyiv operation ended. Dreams about Ukrainians taking back Kherson and marching over the border have turned out wrong. Everyone can see now the Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk battles are pretty much over now. The Ukrainian army is a beaten force. When you lose your best forces, you rely on conscripts to defend the rest of the country. The forces you're left with aren't hardened, so you can make far more gains once the east is taken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    It’s great to hear what a Russian thinks of their dear leader throwing conscripts into a meat grinder with a gun at their backs at the same time. You should post hourly Kremlin updates.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Ukraine received military aid that outstripped what Russia paid for its whole army, navy, air force, and nuclear forces in a year. Nato is involved in decision-making, and its structure manages Zelensky's war effort. Don't think it's impressive that Russia keeps outsmarting Nato logistically and planning.Then you don't see the bigger picture. Russia must be winning the intelligence space battle against the US. I actually thought Nato could beat Russia on the battlefield. They can't predict and stop Russia from overrunning Ukraine forces, so I doubt that could stop them from winning against Nato forces.

    Ukraine has five mobilizations across the country and hasn't stopped Russia from reducing its force there in the east. Your fantasy world ignores all these battles are won by Russia. You guys believed the western media that the Russians lacked morale, had no food, most of their tanks got destroyed, and operations were stalled. Wins in the east show what the real truth is, not that fake crap you think. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    No one is winning.

    Russia is losing though. Economically, and through bad management has lost substantial amounts of people and equipment during the war they started for no other reason than a land grab. The main run for Kiev at the start was a major loss for your comrades. It can’t be dressed up. You take glee for the rape and murder of women and children because it’s your comrades “winning”. Sick individual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,706 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Some questions for you


    1: Do you honestly think that Russia would win a conventional war (Tanks, Guns, men on the ground) against NATO?


    2: If Russia eventually takes over the whole of Ukraine, what do you think happens then? Do they move onto another country (Lithuania, Estonian, Moldova etc)?

    3: Do you think the world will just say "ah well Ukraine lost so let's go back to pre war agreements and welcome Russia back onto the world stage"?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    There's no evidence in the last 100 years of history Russia would be defeated in a quick war, so I think it'll be a tough fight.

    Since 1945, the US army hasn't really fought a high-tech army. When they encountered peasant armies the superior US army looked flat. They left Saigon in a hurry and gave up to the Viet Cong, and in the Korean War, the Chinese peasant army drove them out of North Korea. 

    Since Saddam's army ran off, the American army is pretty much untested for decades. Fighting poor Arabs in the middle east isn't really testing your army for battles. It's hard for the other side to hit back successfully when your uniform is a piece of cloth and the only real weapon you have is an AK-47 and RPG. Hollywood war movies isn't the reality of how prepared Nato would be here!!

    What is ignored about Ukraine. Their armed forces are huge, they have more tanks, missiles, and anti-aircraft systems than most EU countries The morale was high in the first weeks and months of the war, and it's a large country that is very urban, there aren't long stretches of open wasteland. Just travel 50km to 70km and you'll see villages, towns, and cities everywhere. Not really surprising that there's a hard fight from one area to the next. Ukraine has been building up its defenses since 2014. It's not like there's been peace either. In spite of the entire Nato watching its back, Russia seems to have been able to move its forces into advantageous positions now. Yes, there is no evidence to claim Nato would beat Russia. 

    Russia's red line was over Ukraine and got ignored by the west. What happens next the war will end, war won by the Russian side or treaty Ukraine gives up land.. It's a future without complications though. 

    There's a lot of uncertainty here since the west has declared an unofficial war on Russia. Putin has every right to declare war on the west since they're arming a foreign power to kill Russians. Since Putin has some control left over his anger and rage nothing resembling WW3 started yet . Looking at those clowns at G7 they could drag us into WW3.

    Brics is 3.7 billion people and growing- the G7/west is 700 million. Since the crisis, Putin has outplayed the west. They tried to crash the Russian economy, but the ruble actually grew. Rapid inflation and talk of an imminent recession is what is going on inside the EU. I actually brought this point up in ano her thread months ago and was disbelieved now we seeing it the inflation and economies in the EU worried about a recession and energy and cost of living.. 

     West has driven emerging nations to side with Russia and China. They thought all the actions were good , but backfired on them massively.. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,706 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    A wall of words that didn't answer the questions I asked.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    The reply had to be approved by his handlers. That’s why it doesn’t address questions, it took so long and is full of crap.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    After the failed counteroffensive in Kherson. Ukraine commits suicide in Kharkiv. Although there are pushing out thinly lines of Russian control and taking quite a bit of land, they are not slaughtering the Russian army. As a result of their narrow path, there could be problems. Ukraine has thrown a lot of manpower into this, but Russia brings superior weapons to defend the previously weakest points could leave Ukraine troops out in open and nowhere to run. Ukraine moved reserves to fight here failure here could have huge implicatons.

    Reality is Ukraine has had eight war mobilizations women and men drafted. Russia hasnt drafted its populace anywhere the scale Ukraine has. Russia has more scope to expand this war to crazy scale if needs t o Ukraine already has at this point . Crazy scale could cause lot of damage Putin fails to act in time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    The walls are closing in.


    Can you feel it Mr Anderson??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol. So you're pretty upset with the latest Ukrainian advances then.

    Must be heartbreaking considering you were claiming that you guys would conquer the place in a few days.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Punched through a gap that wasn't well defended. Keep going, they kept going. There's a stall now around Izyum. Russians have reacted and brought in reinforcements. In a few days, this offensive will stall. They had to go on counteroffensive to justify all these billons send to them by US military complex. Everything will grind to a halt soon, just like Kherson. Ukraine is losing a lot of youth on a massive scale. Russia hasnt even used its main army here full of contract soldiers and DNR and LPR fighters. Russia views this fight as a special operation and not a full-scale conflict. Even with all the nonsense in west Russia has brought its full capabilities to the battle. Total war by Russia be WW2 scale of destruction..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    50,000 Russian dead corpses rotting away on Ukrainian soil.

    Tick Tock….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol. Really trying to pretend to be an expert, huh?

    Cheerful, you've no credibility here. You've shown yourself repeatedly to not know anything about anything. What do you think you're accomplishing here by making this silly fanboyish proclamations about Russia?

    You've already been wrong about how they were going to take the country in a few days. And in a few weeks. And the last time you claimed that the hammer was about to drop.

    Why would anyone think that this time is different?


    Honestly, it sounds like you're just swallowing and repeating Russian propaganda without any thought because you think it makes you a rebel thinker.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    https://www.npr.org/2022/07/03/1109625359/ukraine-luhansk-donbas-russia/

    Russia says it now controls Ukraine's Luhansk region, one of the two eastern regions that have been the focus of its invasion of Ukraine.That is the result of Russia failing to meet its objectives? Listening to western news makes you a moron. 

    That's Ukraine number. Of nonsense

    Pentagon estimate 15,000 to 20,000 Russian dead that i would not argue over. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol He says, spouting Russian propaganda cause he swallowed it whole.

    So are people supposed to believe that you are an expert in Russian affairs and they should just ignore all of your other conspiracy claims and nonsense or...?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    An article form July 3rd😂😂


    Tick Tock…


    Can you feel the walls closing in?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,096 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




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