Worldwide extremism destroying many countries
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10-09-2022 2:55am#1
Every time one tunes into the news these days ... it is a constant diet of negativity ... of extremists feeding off other extremists ... of namecalling of blaming someone else for one's own shortcomings ...
Covid sort of pressed pause on a horrid culture that has sprung up worldwide in recent years ... but now with the pandemic on the backburner that horrid extremism is back with a vengeance ... it is truly destroying all countries ... it is a pandemic much worse than any Covid or flu ...
The horrid presidency of Trump gave the popular recent American dystopian TV series a run for their money ... and January 6th 2021 only confirmed Trump's extreme contempt for democracy when it does not favour himself ...
All over Europe you have far right parties inclusive of Hitler lovers only waiting for power ... and you have Putin waging war in Ukraine and silencing all Russian opposition as his popularity wanes. You got a Chinese leader who wants to follow Putin with a desire to rule for longer ... you get the feeling same Chinese leader is using Covid as an excuse to keep his restive people in place ...
In Iran you have a Putin puppet called Ebrahim Raisi and an 83 your old monarch called Ali Khamenei ... who have nothing at all in common with the Persian people and who prefer to isolate their country and oppress their people with voodoo mumbo jumbo than to harvest the potential the country has to offer ... and Trump's rebuke of the moderate Hassan Rouhani admin only handed Iran's out of touch and paranoid extremists a cause they would not have otherwise ...
In Hungary Viktor Orban continues to erode democracy in his attempts to be a mini Putin ... who wants to rule as an autocrat disobey EU law but reap the harvest of EU money at the same time. So far he is getting the best of both worlds. Orban is only encouraging his equivalents in France, Italy, etc. to follow suit ...
ISIS still are around ... causing problems in Mozambique, Somalia, other African places ... still troublesome in Iraq and Syria. The Taliban are at it again in Afghanistan .. doing what they do best.
No wonder the world is a total mess when you have all these idiots in power now or in the recent past ... sadly we will more than likely see 2 other despots return to power .. Trump and Netanyahu ... sadly these guys will all destroy the world as we know it ...
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"Everyone who disagrees with my views is a far right extremist".
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Newsflash. The world has always been shagged and always will be. Now we just have 24/7 rolling news coverage and clowns to lap it up. What's the point of worrying about stuff you have zero control over. Everything nowadays has to be boiled down to a left v right wing binary choice.
Social media and big tech companies are the real problem IMO. They've made us all so incredibly hostile towards each other. You can't express any opinion online nowadays without being attacked. All for the algorithm, clicks and likes. Look at Tiktok. It's basically Chinese spyware wrapped in a fancy package. It's genuinely doing damage to people's brains and I dare you to go read their terms and conditions just to see how insane they are.
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The horrid presidency of Trump gave the popular recent American dystopian TV series a run for their money ... and January 6th 2021 only confirmed Trump's extreme contempt for democracy when it does not favour himself
You do realise that most of the problems within American society and the economy did not originate with Trump? The last number of American presidents have looked good on camera, manage a great speech, but ultimately they've all exasperated the issues that already existed. Oh, and considering the accounts of voter manipulation Trump wasn't the first to show his contempt of democracy.. and he won't be the last.
All over Europe you have far right parties inclusive of Hitler lovers only waiting for power ... and you have Putin waging war in Ukraine and silencing all Russian opposition as his popularity wanes. You got a Chinese leader who wants to follow Putin with a desire to rule for longer ... you get the feeling same Chinese leader is using Covid as an excuse to keep his restive people in place ...
You might want to consider why these far right groups are gaining such support across Europe.
As for China, Xi is already leader for life, so he doesn't have to do anything more about that. However, China's power structure is based on the old communist model, of their being factions who actually control most of what happens. Xi leads a faction, but he's not in total control. It's simplistic thinking to pass off everything on to him (and Putin). Also covid is arguably the worst thing to happen to the CCP, and it's culture that's preventing them from backing down from their zero covid policy, and the lockdown responses.
No wonder the world is a total mess when you have all these idiots in power now or in the recent past ... sadly we will more than likely see 2 other despots return to power .. Trump and Netanyahu ... sadly these guys will all destroy the world as we know it ...
Highly doubtful. Trump already had his time in power, and did very little to destroy the world. Oh, I know all the drama associated with his office, but ultimately he did very little, considering the amount of opposition he faced. A return to power would change nothing. I'd be more worried about someone new like GW Bush coming into power, who wants to use the American military.. and extend their power more tangibly. People focus too much on Trump, ignoring just how much the US has changed since Sept 11.
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It is very clear what a far right extremist is ... and it is not someone who disagrees with one's views. A far right extremist has to engage in unneeded wars, spout racist/sectarian/misogynist rhetoric and cause deliberate trouble. The likes of Hitler, Mussolini and Milosevic were that ... the likes of Ebrahim Raisi/Ali Khamenei, Trump, Putin, ISIS, etc. are that .... international scum ...
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A far right extremists would be someone who is extreme by the average standards of the far right.. but then again, these days just about anything can be pushed into being far right if it doesn't mesh with the mainstream views. Otherwise, just call them members of the far right. No need to add on the extremist part.
Any time I see posters put Trump in the same paragraph grouping as those other names, I find myself wondering about the sense of balance of that poster. What has Trump done to merit such associations? Very little except to widen existing divisions within US society, something that Obama did quite a bit of too. All Trump did was be a loud-mouth... Other American presidents have done far worse during their terms of office, but they don't get anywhere near the same attention. Don't get me wrong.. I don't like or support Trump, but it's utterly bizarre the way people go on about him.
The attention given to Trump by posters online is an extreme in itself.
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Who is feeding you the constant diet of negativity day after day?
is it Trump.Putin Orban The Chinese?
haven’t watched any of their media outlets are they available here?
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Seems like you only have a problem with the right.
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I have no problem with the right ... I have a major problem with the far right aka warmongers aka international scum ... the likes of Putin, Raisi, Khamenei, Taliban, ISIS ... and in the past Hitler, Milosevic, Bin Laden, etc. ... I have a major problem with those guys ... they define everything that is bad in the world ...
Some people call Milosevic or Pol Pot far left ... but what ever they are they are the dregs of humanity .. I have a problem only with international scumbags like these mentioned here ... call them right or left I prefer to call them low life subhuman filth... destroying once great nations like Yugoslavia, Iran, Russia, etc, etc. ... it is time the remaining examples of these gangsters are taken down once and for all by their own people ...
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Regarding Trump ....
Trump definitely belongs in the list of bad guys ... he may not be as successful as some of the others ... but the intention was there ... he did do evil things ... he allowed criminals like Ebrahim Raisi and fake Shah Ali Khamenei become more powerful ... replacing more moderate forces ... he inspires cultish devotion ...
Yes .. there are most certainly many other American presidents who did evil ... certainly those responsible for the Iraq war lead to ISIS ... that whole Talibanist culture ... that is made in America during the cold war ... when America was glad to nurture fascists to take power in any unfortunate country that bordered the USSR such as Iran Afghanistan ... criminals are in charge of these countries now full of the paranoid delusions their masters trained them to have ... the trained beasts like Bin Laden turned on their masters when the cold war was over ... resulting in 9/11 ...
9/11 was in turn used as an excuse for fascist America to become stronger ... and Trump is the worst manifestation of it so far. Yes he most certainly does have a big mouth and billions willing to listen .. the most dangerous weapon in 2022.
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Trump is and was a clown. The Russian nonsense is just that. What could they possibly do with any information they got not got on a war footing. They have been shown up to be nothing. America really needs a new villain for the old expenses on the military side of things. Seems no one is on par now. No offence to the Ukrainians at all but their NATOs B team. Imagine A teams like UK could have done to the Russians Or France pick any NATO member actually on their own.
Again not being crass on the Ukrainian side. There a professional army compared to the Russians.
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... of course I know the problems in America predate Trump ... but Trump did not do anything to end those problems at all ... he ripped up anything positive from past admins ... and kept all the bad things from past admins ... Trump went on to cause trouble in Iran leading the way to the fake Shah Khamenei gaining more power rigging the 2021 election ... with that vile criminal Raisi robbing power despite he being hated ...
Trump's policy has not been reversed ... America continues its actions that allow fascists like the fake Shah and his puppet Raisi and Putin to justify their evil ... America is deeply divided and full of cults ...
Yes I worry too that someone worse than Trump could come along and cause another major war ... Trump allowed this Shah Khamenei/enforcer Raisi thing to spawn ... the next Tea Party fanatic then can bomb the hell out of Iran and kill those scumbags ... but along with millions of innocent Iranian civilians ...
I know why far right groups gain in Europe ... mistakes being made by normal governments ... Covid? Energy? Bailouts? Austerity? ... then protest votes ... then worse types ... never vote for the far right ... how many Iranians would have voted for voted for Fascist Mullah Monarchy if they only knew? How many Germans would have voted for Hitler's Fascist Nazi Reich if they only knew? ... never resort to voting for scum ... free electricity for all and the like? Never believe lowlife like Fuhrer Hitler and Shah Khamenei ... or Trump or some Tea Party clown ...
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Is the pandemic on the back-burner though? Wait until Sinn Fein get in there will be a rise in anti-vaxxers tin-foil hatters. Any of the variants could pop their heads up again at any time.
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Agree .. Trump is/was a total clown .. a jack ass .. but a dangerous jack ass. America is obsessed with control and war ... demonising countries ... bullying them ... making sure their leaders eventually turn into the demons they desire ... putting sanctions on any decent leader trying to emerge ... making sure some hardliner ousts the moderates ... then bingo! war is declared ... with support .. against the vile monster everyone now wants to get rid of ..
There are several evil effers on the world stage I'd love to see taken down for good ... fake Shah Khamenei and Ebrahim Raisi especially ... they are scum of the earth .. vile sub human intellectually challenged brain dead cretins who are 1 step removed from cave man. They treat their superior and more educated population like dirt ... they are easy to hate ... it is so easy to hate these effers .. they have not one redeeming feature .. and it is deliberately set up like that ...
Why? Because the vile Shah and his puppet president who oppress Iranians esp. women and who refuse to do anything positive ... are our next war. Now I'd be glad to see this low life scourge on Iran get overthrown in a bloodsoaked way ... but by Iranians much like how Romanians did the same to their fascist Ceausescu ... who is supposed to be far left but left/right does not matter, scum is scum ... the USA does not have any right to go to war with Iran after it deliberately bullied and goaded Iran thus allowing a corrupt Shah Khamenei to become more paranoid and inflict this Raisi scumbag onto the people ... it all smacks of creating a vile fascist Nazi regime for all the world to hate and for America under some Tea Party nutter to look good taking Iran's scum down ... Sure Khamenei and Raisi are Iran's scum .. but Trump/Tea Party/most of the current politicians are America's scum.
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... of course I know the problems in America predate Trump ... but Trump did not do anything to end those problems at all ... he ripped up anything positive from past admins ... and kept all the bad things from past admins ... Trump went on to cause trouble in Iran
There is absolutely no sense of balance or fairness to your position.
You let all other American presidents off the hook, while focusing on Trump, all the while ignoring that most of the problems within American society or it's economy have been there for decades. Trump, from the moment he entered office, faced near constant opposition from others, so even if he had wanted to overturn the policies of past administrations, or fix some of the long-standing problems, he was blocked, or faced resistance from others. And actually Trump did manage to diminish some of the "bad things" from past admins, such as the extension of powers extended to the intelligence services during Obama's time, although in reality, to remove such issues would take multiple terms, and actual support from within congress (and the lobbies).
As for Iran, Trumps "contributions" haven't changed that region any more than past presidents.
You have an unreasonable hatred for Trump.. That's obvious throughout your posts.
Trump's policy has not been reversed ... America continues its actions that allow fascists like the fake Shah and his puppet Raisi and Putin to justify their evil ... America is deeply divided and full of cults ...
It's not "Trumps" policy. It's been the accepted and traditional foreign policy of the US since the 50s. And what would you expect the US, sorry Trump, to have done about Putin? I suspect your beliefs don't include the realities of international diplomacy/relationships and dealing with nuclear powers.
As for being deeply divided and full of cults... again, nothing new.. and the responsibility for which cannot be assigned to Trump.
Yes I worry too that someone worse than Trump could come along and cause another major war
Trump didn't start any wars.. or even expand the mandates for their existing wars. So... yeah. There's much worse out there than Trump. Christ, Obama gave far more leeway to the military to conduct unrestricted warfare than Trump.
I know why far right groups gain in Europe ... mistakes being made by normal governments ... Covid? Energy? Bailouts? Austerity?
I don't think you do though, as you're not talking about the things which concern the average person. Rising costs of living. Rising crime rates. Unemployment in traditional industries. Foreign Immigration, connecting with rising welfare costs, resulting in increased taxation, along with increased national debt. Near constant increases in regulatory practices by governments, and a decline in the belief that democracy represents the people. You really should spend some time in France or Germany.. and see what they have to pay for. A increased sense that political parties do not represent the views of the people, and virtue signalling is more important, whether it's for the environment or foreign ventures.
That's why far right groups are growing, and will eventually cause a major shift in Europe. Oh, and there's a spectrum when it comes to far right groups, along with those who might approve of or support them. The neo-nazi's aren't terribly representative of the European far right movements who hold the real influence, except in East Germany.
How many Germans would have voted for Hitler's Fascist Nazi Reich if they only knew?
Except they did know. The speeches spoke of it. Their members came from the very families who supported the Nazi party. The industrialists joined in, and weren't quiet about what was going on or would happen. People started leaving Germany early after Hitler gained power, knowing the way things were shifting. Just as Jews were expelled from many European countries prior to the war, because those nations considered them unwanted.
It was a different time, when culture, and racial superiority were far more common and widely accepted. You're looking back with the advantage of hindsight, and the social conditioning received that was created because of what happened. However, in the 1930s, things were very different. Just look at Oswald Mosley in Britain before the war, who had tons of support. There were similar figures in other countries too.. and even without those particular fascist/national socialists.. you could hear similar expressions of superiority from communists speaking about workers, or the imperialists talking about their superior culture. Hell, have a look at some of Churchills correspondence from before the war.. similar echo's of superiority and what should happen to inferior peoples should the resist too much. It's no different from the mobs with burning torches attacking Gypsy, or Jewish communities in the 1920s or the racial violence in the US throughout the last century. They didn't need to be fascists or whatever... Just normal people with narrow views. And honestly, there's a similar narrow minded attention being shown by left leaning mobs these days, just as prone to burn books, attack orators they don't like or whatever.
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I have not left the other presidents off the hook ... I am well aware of the type of country the USA morphed into post-WW2 ... Trump is the crudest version .. and he would have caused a war if he was allowed ... his biggest sin was destroying Hassan Rouhani's Iran ... and paving the way for that caveman monster Raisi .. and that fake Shah Khamenei to get another few years out of his terminally ill regime ...
I am well aware of Europe's problems .. have been to France and Germany ... but know these jokers some believe in will make matters much worse not better ... Alt fur Deutschland, Le Pen, Liga ... they can say what people want to hear but they are full of hate ... and friends of Putin ... same goes for that Farage dude ... how did Brexit turn out?? Solved problems? .. No.
There are also some so called far right ... they are not really that. For all their talk the likes of Farage and even Viktor Orban are not genuine far right ... so far anyway. Real far right = war, widespread oppression of sectors of a country, warped laws, permanent positions for the leader, capital punishment/other violent punishment, largescale imprisonment, lack of press freedom ... 2022- Russia, 2021- Iran, 1991-2000 Serbia, 1933-1945 Germany, Taliban/ISIS/Al Qaeda in any form, Saudi Arabia 99% of the time = real far right.
The US is not at home a far right state but acts the far right state abroad for years ... Trump was a wannabe far right guy ... a total jack ass ... a troublemaker ... but he did not have a refined package of skills to truly become the vile cretin he wanted to be ...
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I have not left the other presidents off the hook ... I am well aware of the type of country the USA morphed into post-WW2 ... Trump is the crudest version .. and he would have caused a war if he was allowed
First he's able to do whatever he wants, and will destroy the world, and now he was prevented from starting a war... you really need to make up your mind. Anyway, he didn't start any wars, nor attempted to do so..
I am well aware of Europe's problems .. have been to France and Germany ... but know these jokers some believe in will make matters much worse not better ... Alt fur Deutschland, Le Pen, Liga ... they can say what people want to hear but they are full of hate ... and friends of Putin ... same goes for that Farage dude ... how did Brexit turn out?? Solved problems? .. No.
Brexit was about many issues... and most of which were connected to the corruption within British politicians. Hence the lies over Brexit. It wasn't intended to really "solve" any problems.
As for Europe's problems, you've just ignored them completely when pointed out to you.
The US is not at home a far right state but acts the far right state abroad for years ... Trump was a wannabe far right guy ... a total jack ass ... a troublemaker ... but he did not have a refined package of skills to truly become the vile cretin he wanted to be ...
Okay.. I'm leaving the discussion here, because this is becoming infantile. The post/thread content. Not you.
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I am well aware of Europe's problems ... I am well aware of political opportunists ... I am well aware those jokers would not solve one of Europe's problems too ...
... Europe's ... and the world's ... problems are caused by a mix of kneejerk decisions, corruption, and far right war mongering ... and voting for wannabe far right warmongers will solve none of the problems caused by things like Putin's war and the Iraq war will they?
Trump did try to cause a war ... ask any Iranian. Then Iran got saddled with a caveman for president ...
The bottom line is the world is a mess ... but the bottom line is entities like Alt fur Deutschland, Le Pen, Trump, Khamenei/Raisi, ISIS .. they are all part of the problem never the solution!! ... and these leeches feed off each other ...
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Nothing you can do about it. I wouldnt worry about it so much. Go for a walk or a pint or something.
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Ehh when was Yugoslavia great?
You do know the only reason it held together so long was because of the "Communist" regime of Tito.
Once that went it broke apart based on old tribal grounds.
It actually worked out like one of those African or Middle Eastern states that tore itself apart once a foreign colonial power left and actually one can see why when one analyses it's history.
It was an artificial creation by the European super powers after WW2, where the remnants of the Austro Hungarian Empire (which itself had nobbled parts of the old Ottoman Empire) were cobbled together.
Milosoevic Far Left???
He was a nationalist who wanted to hang onto power.
When exactly was Russia great, when the Tsar was in charge ?
You spout a load of stuff, but it just reads like US = bad, anything vaguely right = bad, all the problems of the world are due to right.
You just utter the usual cr** about these right leaning parties won't solve anything, when you don't once address why people ar, and the turning to the "right".
You may know some names, some dates but it just reads as infantile.
You reference one European communist leader, Ceausescu, and then refer to him as fascist.
FFS. You label most of the evil dictators of the 20th century, but conveniently leave out Stalin and Mao who massacred millions. And then Farage is in the same breath as Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot.
Why oh why do you fall into the usual rhetoric of equating everything right as being as bad as Hitler?
I am not allowed discuss …
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It can be argued no country reached its true greatness potential ... sure Yugoslavia and Russia had their problems and imperfections but the likes of Milosevic and various Russian leaders halted its path to a brighter future ...
I am well aware of the history of Yugoslavia and the artificial statehood created for that ... same for several other countries too ... The Tsar/Tsars were a mixed bunch ... mostly not good ...
Milosevic was a hardline Serbian nationalist ... but he was a member of the communist party of Yugoslavia ... he most certainly had the same race superiority and sectarian outlook as Hitler had ... left? right? Doesn't matter ... I prefer evil ... and he was that!! Milosevic was proof he could be a mix of far left and far right because they are one and the same thing ...
The US is a mix of good and bad ... often at the same time ... it is too complex to place into good or bad ... it is a mixed legacy and its presidents ranged from good to downright evil ... Trump was pretty horrid but he or any president in our lifetime would not make the ranks of the really bad ones who all belong to the 1800s ...
In no way am I a lover of Mao or Stalin ... just did not get around to mentioning them ... they are evil and thankfully are no longer living ... Ceausescu, Stalin, Mao are all fascists ... they kill, they force an ideology down people's throats, they are fanatic ... just like Hitler, ISIS and Pinochet ...
I never said everything right is as bad as Hitler ... everything far right either is or has potential to be as bad as Hitler. Same goes for everything far left ... any fanaticism is as bad as Hitler or has potential to be ...
Farage, Le Pen, etc. are not as bad as Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, etc. ... at least when not in power ... maybe or maybe not they could become equal to these if they gained power who knows ... but I don't like what they stand for and the hatred they could inspire ...
I addressed several times why people turn to these "rightwing" ... or in the past these "leftwing" ... entities ... I live in 2022 afterall ... the main reason is clearly people have lost all faith in regular politicians ... and somehow see the extremists as their saviours ... when they are not and intelligent people will know they are not the solution only another problem to make the existing problem worse. Ask any Iranian today about how their far right revolution worked out !!! Or any Afghan who once believed the Taliban would bring them peace and prosperity !!
People are sick of problems and government incompetence, corruption, indifference, etc. Some of these problems are caused by far right and other extremist views. Immigration is caused by wars egged on by far right in Iraq, etc. ... a problem that would not happen if these wars were not fought ... bank bailouts, oppressive Covid 19 policies, climate policy resulting in tax increases, lack of support for local industry/jobs by governments, not taking action against high prices/cost of living, etc, etc, etc ... I know, I know .... and have addressed all this as the cause of why some will be attracted to the far right ... but I know along with 60 million Iranians ... that these effers will not solve one of the current problems ... and instead will add 1000 more problems .... the same goes for the far left. Ask any Cambodian who remembers the late 1970s. Fanatics on the Far left/far right? Same ... I prefer the term evil.
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Not to mention FF and FG's extremist views on destroying our housing sector. Evil is the only word i can think of.
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OP, do you live in the US?
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