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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    There's already been claims of Ukrainans crossing into Belgorod and stealing military vehicles to take back to Ukraine



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,443 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Thanks Brussels Sprout, that was an interesting link, for sure LOL. That Olga Skabeena is some piece of work, I mean they all are, but she takes the biscuit. The military expert Michail Onufrienko has tried in the past to state the true position( Only to have to retract it later ) Some crew for sure,



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Seems strikes were launched from submarines in the black sea,

    They will need to deal more damage to the russian Navy going forward,that or level Sevastopol naval base when they are being resupplied



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    This is from end of August: What is Russia's 3rd Army Corps? New Unit Moving to Front Lines: Intel

    The Russians do have reserves. The question is can they get them in position before the Autumn rain starts (mud) to launch a counter attack? It may be a case of define the lines for the Winter season and let the Winter wear down the political support for Ukraine as well as the Ukrainians themselves. Politically the US elections are in November, the political landscape will have changed and by the time Spring rolls round European political unity may be fractured by domestic considerations.

    The Russian administration is not about to lose this and can wait out the Winter. Information to the Russians domestic audience is tightly controlled, as is information to ourselves. We hear very little about Ukrainian casualties, the battles in Kherson will be different given the open nature of the country side there. At this stage one would hopefully imagine there are behind the scenes talks with the Russians to try and formulate an exit strategy.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭greenpilot




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    Props for still giving it ago despite the whole Russian offence collapsing into frantic retreat.

    You still don’t get it… Ukraine gets stronger as time goes on. You’ve already lost. Why else would mighty (snigger) Russia seek peace talks?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,106 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I'm kinda shocked that he's still allowed on that show. He's the only one of them that ever seemed to see things as they were but it always went against the grain. The rest of them were living in some parallel universe - which is crashing down around them now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Russia can't lose bro, trust me bro, Russia stronk





  • if the ukrianian army decides to attack belgorod they will lose the support of the west



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    IF Ukraine enters Russia to attack Belgorod it will be with the West’s permission. They have already attacked it several times from Ukraine. It is a legitimate target.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    Ebb and flow of battlefields. Aside from current activity, Ukrainian economy is in taters. Russia holds territory that is 70%+ of their GDP, not to mention the interlocking between the Russian and Ukrainian companies pre-war. They are dependent on Western Europe and the United States and the political ground will change over the course of the year. Russia can drag this out and the longer it does the more countries from the EU get directly involved. It's obvious the Russian administration have achieved none of the objectives they intended (yet). Western Europe needs energy and raw materials from Russia and Belarus, otherwise heavy industry shuts down, there is an incentive for both sides to find a face saving way out of this situation.

    Putin will be gone in 2024, who replaces him then? If he loses face sooner are the hard liners going to come to a deal? To my mind it makes sense to look for a deal.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,517 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There's no need for the Ukrainian army to make any incursion into Russia. It has always been about liberating Ukraine.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭jackboy


    The US won’t let them make that move. Question is, will the Americans let them take Crimea or even all of the Donbas.

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    Have to laugh at those that suggest Russia can out muscle the West financially. The West is far more innovative than the one trick pony Russia. It will be fine for energy. Either way the West won’t be blackmailed by terrorists.



  • Registered Users Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    Time is not on Russias side,

    Lend Lease kicks in from this October, nato trained troops also start rotating back then.

    In meantime China only offering half the price for Russian gas take it or leave it, others will follow as no way would India want to pay more than their enemies



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    And yet they have been attacking Belgorod for months



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,036 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    They are completely justified in crossing a border to assail a region that is supplying an invasion against them and firing ballistics at them. They wont lose support for that. Furthermore, the influence of europe is being overstated, it's great to have them onside but sure if Germany or France or Hungary or the faroe islands have a problem they can end their support, as long as the americans are supporting(which appears to be one of the few projects with bi-partisan support) and the Ukrainians still have the heart and man power to continue fighting, they will not stop. This is nothing to america, they spend the guts of a trillion a year on defense, this is value for money from their perspective.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Moving troops across the border would be completely different.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,460 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Do they really need to go there if they can bring it under sustained accurate artillery fire ,without getting shot up themselves, I don't know the ground though .. Belgerod was originally a defensive fortress that controlled the land around it from tartar attacks ( hundreds of years ago ) ,so it may be a very defensible position ,

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,879 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    There is an easy way to hold territory & win over the locals. Give them no corruption, free elections & western standards.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I suspect that would be a major no no. As part of the "rules" of this proxy war support from the US and the rest would be not to go into and put boots on the ground in Russia herself(missiles are "allowed" as part of the proxy stuff). That would trigger Russia to be able to claim an invasion of Russia and escalate(I know, but Russian "logic") and would likely cause the western support to be challenged and even reduced. I'd be very surprised if the higher ups in the Ukrainian government and military haven't given direct and clear orders NOT to do anything like this.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    @Pa ElGrande The Russian administration is not about to lose this .


    They lost the moment they rolled into ukraine,they are losing more today,they will keep on losing until they have been completely removed from Ukraine.

    There is not mighty Russian army to come to the rescue.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    I think he means "a few people here might find it interesting"



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They don't have to move troops in ,but they can also encourage resupply runs to further the humiliation on the russians



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,036 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    But aren't these conditions purely hypothetical? We have no idea where america would draw red line regarding support. I certainly would support it, you cant hamstring your ally in this way and let them take constant bombardment from russian positions that they can only threathen with counter artillery/rockets. Its a completely unfair condition, the russians have no such constraint.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Lets look at this from another angle. The West (via NATO) has been involved in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria over the past 2 decades. How have those wars turned out, any complete victory to report after two decades. Lot's of treasure spent, whose standard of living has increased in that time?

    How do you think the West will react to a weak Russia that refuses to trade with them? Do you not think that the temptation would be to assemble an EU army and invade Russia? Or how about a scenario where Russia is losing and goes all out scorched earth and starts adopt American tactics to systematically take out the civilian infrastructure (water, electricity, transport) in Ukraine? Would the political pressure become greater across Europe for a more direct intervention (humanitarian aid), albeit it would take them 2 to 3 years to reorganise the European economy around war production.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The question is less about reserves and more about what the hell where they thinking in leaving that area apparently so badly defended? It seems the Ukrainians had to do little actual engaging going by the sheer speed they've been taking villages, towns, roads and land. The Russian forces seem to have just given up and legged it for whatever reason and while leaving a goodly chunk of free weapons and military vehicles behind. That's not much of an orderly retreat. Their defence collapsed and they ran. All this goes triple if they have the reserves they claim.

    They either don't have the extra capacity, or their commanders are complete amateurs, or a little from column A and a little from column B. Even the usual pro Russian types online have gone from talking about clever tactics and/or blaming delays or failures on NATO help, to blaming the Russian command structure itself. If I were a Russian soldier I'd be very much wondering what the hell is going on. That goes for those down in the south too.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,059 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Well in fairness, he's consistent anyway in terms of lavish threats. Not sure that calling for the demise of your own military commanders is very wise though. Maybe he has very good security.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,443 ✭✭✭jmreire


    One of their primary functions was to ensure that the ordinary front line Russian soldiers did not decide to retreat, or even worse, surrender. They had a choice, face the enemy and take your chances, or retreat and face certain death. So it would appear that the Russian Soldiers who had been bearing the brunt of the fighting got a little tired of the Kadyrov's bullying.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    @Pa ElGrande How do you think the West will react to a weak Russia that refuses to trade with them? Do you not think that the temptation would be to assemble an EU army and invade Russia.


    Put down the bottle



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