Nissan Note e-power

If you want an efficient petrol hybrid there's plenty of choice already. I doubt the note epower would do well against the well established "self charging" cars

Driving video

Yeah it's just a fossil car with a complex drivetrain though. You can't plug it in, you can only refuel with petrol. Not interested.

Poster didn't say it was useless though, just that they aren't interested.

This is another type of hybrid power train so I'm sure there will be a market for it. I think a Qashqai version is planned too.

I would forecast the demise of liquid cooled batteries ( solid state is where the weight and range gain is) before efficient parallel hybrids.

Folks popping to the shops for milk in a 4000lb vehicle seems a step backwards.

The sale of petrol cars is being banned starting some places in just 3 years. Why would nissan bring this to the EU?

Agree. But folks here spending 50k for a plus 2 tonne vehicle to go to the shops is also not sustainable. It’s about the right tool for the right job and I wonder if here we are not repeating the whole move to diesels like we did in 08. The future is electric, but solid state battery electric so it’s important that folks don’t take one step forward and 2 steps back.

Norway is in 2025. The rest seem to be 2030 or 2035.

And yes, I am aware of the EU vs EEA.

Interesting listening to the engine kicking in charging the battery.

Review

Only problem is the cost of the Full electric cars plus the cost of electricity to charge same cars.

The Nissan Note e will use 2.7L per 100klm at €1.85 per litre of fuel is costing €4.99

Electric car, take the Peugeot-e has a 50Wh battery with a range of 275klm that works out at 18Wh to do 100klm

To charge 18Wh currently costs you over €8.50 at an ESB charge point.

Even with night saver electric it's still costing €4.50 but don't forget to add on the cost of a homecharger, the higher standing charge too.

Tax on fossil fuel cars will not go higher in the next few years, as we have seen the government has reduced excise on fuel lately. If fuel returns to €1.20 -€1.50 /litre then the Note is costing as low as €3.25 per 100klm

Also Factor in the huge depreciation the Full EV car suffers due to battery degradation, and possible power grid blackouts too over the winter and I can't see any value in the current EV's

Lets stick to the facts.

• The energia plan you are on is out of date now, they like all the other suppliers are hiking rates in the next 4-8 weeks. You are on a variable rate so you are getting hiked.
• The energia plan you are on has a "great headline rate" for night saver but is totally unsuitable for heavy use like EV charging since an average EV will need to be charged from 0 to full at least 3 times per week (truth be told it's probably every night) that's 156 charges per annum. After roughly 8 charges you have used up your 2000Wh annual limit on nightsaver electric so you then move to the higher rate which at the moment is 22 cent with energia and thats last years rate. On top of which since you are on nightsaver you pay far higher for the daily rate of electricity so in fairness you are being hit for roughly 25c/kwh => €4.50 for 100klm of charge. That's a fact read the terms of your contract. And that's without the price hikes in the next few weeks.
• Cost of home-charger isn't nothing, the grant is gobbled up by price gauging. You can only get 1 grant for 1 vehicle and the homechargers do fail, and develop faults
• The EV batteries, just like your mobile phone battery degrade significantly in terms of use. So while a phone or laptop is still usable with a battery with 60-70% of original capacity, an EV becomes a driving range nightmare. Tesla the leader in EV battery tech offer a replacement if the batteries fail or go below 70% capacity by 100k kilometers. Not much of a guarantee if you ask me.
• Don't see too many wanting to buy a five year old EV with 100k on it, it's new or nothing as nobody wants an EV that the battery could fail or go faulty and your local Mechanic can do nothing for you. Who the hell wants a second hand EV and be driving around like a nervous wreck wondering has it enough charge to get back.
• The reality of EVs in Ireland is you pay through the hole for a big heavy battery car that costs as much as a conventional ICE car to run, and significantly more than a hybrid vehicle. Add on those big heavy cars are chewing through tires at twice the rate of a normal car along with the car depreciating twice as fast as other cars

Wrong wrong wrong.

1. The Energia EV rate is a 12 month FIXED RATE tariff. Everyone who signs up to this tariff gets a letter to confirm the rate is fixed.

2A. No EV user chargers their car from 0% to 100% three times a week. Most drivers will charge between 20% to 80% for most occasions. Most EVs now will do 300km per charge so by you suggesting that they need to charge every night that would equate to 2,100 km per week. I'd say there's a miniscule amount of people in Ireland putting up that milage every week.

2B. The night time allowance of 2,000 is per two month period not per annum.

2C. 2,000 units divided by 8 charges is 250kWh per charge. Is there even an EV with that size battery?

2D. You're miles off on the rates and your "facts" are just wrong. By all means you can show us these T&C to show you are correct.

3. My home charger install was €700 after grant. Even allowing for a 50% increase in price that's around €1K now. That €1,000 would be eaten up by fuel cost savings very very quickly. Of all the EV drivers on Boards and the Irish EV Facebook there's not been many reports of failures of chargers. But I am sure there are a number.

4A. Only the very first Leaf are showing massive battery degredation. Plenty of other older EVs on the road showing very little. And assume you are correct that an EV becomes a driving nightmare at 70% capacity, why is it that? Surely that car at 70% doing 150-200km would be a perfect second family car or town run around for someone?

4B. I don't know anything about Tesla warranties so can't comment here but Hyundai have an 8 year 180,000km warranty on their battery. Sounds like they're pretty confident in their technology.

5. Older EVs are being snapped up and selling for more now than two years ago on DD. I actually bought a 28KW Ioniq last month with 135K KM on the clock. It's still showing 100% battery and is perfect for my use case which is approximately 150km per week. I also sold my two year old ID3 for a few thousand more than I bought it new. I placed the add on DD and it was gone two hours later. I had four PMs on here enquiring about it and another five people on DD.

6A. An EV cost about 25% of the cost of an ICE to run. No way in hell is a Hybrid cheaper to run over a similar journey.

6B. Good tyres will last you. A person's driving style can also affect wear. There's plenty of reports of people getting similar mileage from the same tyres between an ICE and an EV.

6C. EVs are depreciating at a far lower rate than ICE vehicles. In many cases they are actually appreciating in value.

From reading your posts I get the impression that a lot of your knowledge of EVs is gathered from the boys at the bar counter on a Friday evening.

Again lets stick to facts

Nissan note power-e uses 2.7L/100 klm not the 5L you quote. So at costs at current petrol prices €4.96

EV on the best day will use about 20KwH/100klm = €3 on the headline night rate which is not a true indication of cost, the real cost is at least 25c/kwH which equates to €4.80/100Klm (out of interest it's €9.60 now if you use an ESB charger)

As for tires, it may sound like a silly argument and you can make little of it but it's fairly significant when Cars are doing only 7-10k on a new set.

Now I'm all for full EVs but not with Irish Electricity prices and Irish Car prices plus when you honestly add up al the costs of owning an EV it's just a stupid fad

For pure Value for money, and best economy it is the Note power-e which has been the most popular car in Japan over the last 5 years,

Again stick to facts,

Warranty is for 70% of Capacity. Capacity is allowed to be up to 10% off quoted capacity day 0 so what they are really saying is we can Guarantee the battery will be at 63% of capacity (provided you did XYZ by 100)

For a guy who likes facts you're doing a great job of making an absolute dogs dinner of yours.

1. Nissan quote the e-Power power train as doing 4.6L/100km.

Can you provide a source to your claimed 2.7L/100km?

2. My Ioniq 28 does 15.2kWh/100km. My Ioniq 5 is currently around 17kWh/100km. My ID3 was doing 16kWh/100km. Plenty of evidence of Model 3 doing sub 15kWh/100km.

Can you provide a source for your claimed 20kWh/100km on the "best" of days?

Why is the real cost 25c/kWh? I pay 9c at night rate and 33c per day unit now. My BG deal was due to go to 14c and 29c or there about from early October.

3. I had 12,000 km on my ID3 and the tyres were about half done when I sold it. Others on Boards are reporting 35,000km on their original tyres.

Do you have a report to show the average usable life 9f tyres on an EV is 7,000-10,000km?

4. Pure whataboutery. Car prices across the board are going through the roof and the cost of an equivalent ICE and EV are not that far apart.

5. The issue with that is you'd have to drive a Nissan Note.

I mistakenly quoted the Note, rather thant the Note e-Power. What do you think will happen to that efficiency rating as the tiny 1.54kWh battery degrades to nothing and stops aiding the ICE engine....now only a dead weight further reducing the mpg 😂

Yes, tires are a silly argument, as there are plenty who sensibly drive their EV and plenty who rally their ICE cars like they are at mondello on their way to work. Driving style make all the difference. I changed tires on my Leafs less regularly than on any of my petrol cars.

You said you are pro ev (all for full EVs), but then say on an EVs best day it will use 20kWh/100km. Complete hogwash and straight from the old man on the pub stool. Look through these threads for screenshots proving otherwise.

I didn't buy a Tesla for economy admittedly, but it is about the most efficient road car you can drive. Even if the battery degraded to 50%, it would still be far more efficient than a Note e-Power with a dead battery booster. Toyota figured that out years ago with their Prius....and Nissan, who were EV pioneers have gone and made the same dud mistake. Shameful really.

No, what I am saying is the so called Warranty amounts to jack ****. You tried to associate a warranty with the lifespan of the battery.

Hence always read the small print instead of the big Money off for sale sign

You're talking about a Nissan and yet you list EV starting prices at 43k. Ever heard of a Leaf? Plenty of other EVs at lower prices. What sh1t box would you be driving at 16.5k anyway? C'mon lad, it looks like you're trolling now.

No you posted the screen grab to try and imply that the Battery is Guaranteed to be within 70% of capacity by 100k miles. I rightly pointed out that that same warranty has small print which shows they only guarantee the same battery to 63% of original capacity. Not the 70% which you again have tried to imply.

As I said before A laptop or phone with a battery only having half life is still usable. An EV with a battery down to 63% or lower of capacity is knackered.

Nissan note e only needs 1kwh battery so even if it degrades it can be easily replaced without taking out a second Mortgage.

I didn't read the last few posts but an EV using 20kWh/100km on its best day? That made me laugh. This person got 13kWh over 10,000km in a Cupra Born. Plenty of people getting 14-16kWh in the Summer including motorway driving.

I've never seen someone talk such nonsense to fit their narrative. If you like a less efficient hybrid that's perfectly ok, you don't have to ignore facts and disagree with everything along the way!

That price list is out of date, you cannot get most of the cars on the list due to Battery supply issues. (Basically they can't make them for that price anymore)

The note e battery is more of a hybrid between a battery and a capacitor, it doesn't need to hold huge amounts of charge. I think you have no understanding of the drivetrain in the Nissan so best read up a bit first before commenting.

Nissan charge $1800 for a new Battery, but you can get them for less in Japan.

The reason it was recorded in Maylaysia is because it is only available in Asia at the moment. The same technology is coming to some of the Nissan car range here in late 2022/early 2023.

You can stay driving around you EVs, that's your business. All I was pointing out was that the economics of them EVs is a joke and cannot be taken seriously by anyone other than a blinkered tunnel vision idiot

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