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Are LOI Fans West Brits?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭rogerywalters


    You dont think there is football chants in every country in the world? You are a bit on the dim side. Enjoy next monday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,949 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Love going to watch our league here.

    But let’s be honest, we’d all rather be down in Roscommon watching a ref get battered at a Gah match, but time and Monet…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    I think though you'll find a lot of Manu fans just went quiet rather than changing club. Any fans who decides to not support their club anymore were never football fans in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,480 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    The biggest west brits are the Irish people who only support British teams. spend their money on foreign teams. imagine how good our league would be if all that money went to Irish teams, Irish teams still punch above their weight, example sligo rovers beating Motherwell fc 3-0 over 2 games in europe this year. instead we have a league that is laughed at by our own even though most have never even been to a LOI game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Sorry but you're talking complete nonsense. All you're doing is indulging your own prejudices.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭Thinkingaboutit



    Association Football supporters worldwide have sung an array of songs some beautiful, some wonderfully mocking often of powerful but sometimes loathed owners (like the Glazier bros for MUFC). It almost recalls how Romans in the hippodrome of Rome or Constantinople would chant their happiness or disgruntlement to the emperor and his friends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    Sligo Rovers get a pass in fairness.

    They put Bananarama on the map in fairness.

    Na Na Na Na, Na Na Na Na .

    Great club all said and a credit to themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,039 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    I wouldn’t call it a “prejudice”. I, myself, follow a team who went from winning the league to getting relegated as far as League One, the third division.

    I’ve no time for any fans who ditch their side simply because they are no longer winning. It’s fair weather nonsense and deserves to be called out.

    All true United fans shouldn’t accept it. Especially, if they see them coming out of the woodwork in a few years when they aren’t so rubbish.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    You're posting here as if the couple of people in your office represent a large cohort of Manchester United fans, surely you can see how your own personal experience is hardly representative of anything.

    There are a couple of Leeds fans on this site who are so absolutely overwhelmed by their hatred of Manchester United that they'll say absolutely anything about the club, it's fans and anything even loosely related to it, I guess I can add you to that list now.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,039 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Oh, it’s not just the office ones. That was just an example of when I felt sorry for the Liverpool fans. They waited a long time to get one over and when they did their targets just picked up the ball and went home with it. Very unsporting behaviour.

    I’ve encountered others, friends of mine and friends of friends. And, if you look a few posts back you’ll see that I am not alone in this and that’s from a user who you could never accuse of us being in “cahoots”.

    I’ve actually never encountered any other Leeds fans on this site. I did see the crest on someone’s avatar but never “engaged” with them, or anything. Tell that other couple I was asking for them anyway.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    So we're still talking about a very small pool of people is what you're saying?

    Like I said, your own personal prejudice as a Leeds fan is obvious.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭thefallingman


    Like the muppets that go to the darts and chant the same thing over and over again, i don't think they are west brits, just intellectually challenged.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    The strangest thing about the Shamrock Rovers fans chanting "Lizzie's in a box" was that they adopted imitation English accents for it.

    That's not that unusual among League of Ireland fans, I used to go to watch Galway United a number of years ago, an element of the fans would spend games chanting about how they hated Sligo and Athlone. It certainly was trying to ape the English knuckle draggers who fight against opponents fans and spend matches chanting abuse.

    To be fair, in Ireland it's only a minority of fans who go on with this sh!te, but yeah, in a way they are west Brits. They'd resent being told that, but they do consciously try and copy the antics of English ruffians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,480 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    The Shamrock rovers fans aren't using English accents in the Lizzys in a box chant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,420 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I heard some doing Geordie, some Scouse, some Black Country, some Cockney and some West Country.



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,797 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,949 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    You might wanna make an appointment with a hearing specialist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,912 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    The American MLS supporters have been known to do the same. ‘Who are ya’ in faux English accents. You only have to watch NBC sports and their EPL fan parks to witness this. Are those Americans West Brits or East Brits in your view? 🤔

    For a small minority of American soccer fans this can take nastier edge, as they Ape English football hooligan ‘firms’ complete with fake English accents.


    But It is also well known that a very small minority of Bohs and Rovers fans call themselves firms. Another hangover of aping the worst of English soccer.


    In my view all this symptomatic of EPL marketing, and a disenfranchised youth just looking to belong to something so they can lash out. And similar to the way Irish country Music stars put on a fake Nashville Nasal drawl. Some soccer fans seem to think fake English accents are a prerequisite of the culture.

    But to give the large majority of LOI fans credit most have much more sense. Last Rovers v Dundalk match (in Tallaght) I was at about three years ago was an enjoyable pleasant experience. And I would recommend anyone to go if they want to hear passionate fans and live affordable competitive soccer.

    LOI Much better than sitting at home / in pub watching SKY. And having Irish people born and bred call each other Manc’s or Scouse. Many Irish people say ‘We’ when referring to an British/English team which I find odd. But this happens the world over, in Africa/Asia/America.

    Those who watch EPL are watching many overpaid footballers from all over the world kissing badges. It is a marketing giant. Which is bound to seep over to other leagues as fans copy chants and mannerisms.

    Post edited by gormdubhgorm on

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Theirs no rule that says your not allowed to support a club from a different country.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,797 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    I find nearly 100% of people who claim LOI fans have "an English accent" have never actually set foot in a football stadium, either on these shores or elsewhere. There was even an article on RTE recent about some "scholar" who asked the question "why do football fans sing in an English accent" and then they themselves admit they've never actually been to a game. It seems to be just one of those tired tropes that have no basis in reality, like "you never see any trouble at a GAA match" or "Rugby is played by gentlemen".

    It's actually funny to hear the accents they sing in, Drogheda fans in their terrible accent, the Dublin clubs in a distinct Dublin accent (bar UCD who don't sing in any accent because they have no fans) and in particular Derry and Finn Harps fans who sing in quite a strong northern accent.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,420 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The Derry and Harps fans are obviously aping a Glasgow accent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,912 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I would argue such people who only support an EPL are more consumers of EPL than actual soccer fans.

    Which is OK, but there is no sense of local community you would get if you support a local team. Also the smaller domestic leagues suffer in the long term. A vicious cycle.

    The marketing people of the EPL know how to play to each demographic.

    The UK Barclay’s EPL advert :


    ‘The overseas’ Barclay’s EPL advert :

    Both adverts are contradictory when viewed together. But Barclay’s know perfectly well how to create a sense of loyalty/belonging to the EPL

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Your argument has no basis in fact though, they are still football fans according to their football club and fifa. If you argued that the LOI guys are bigger fans then I wouldnt argue with that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Don't go to games any more, but certainly an element of Galway fans used to affect an accent for abusive chants. Not even the accent, but the singing about Athlone and Sligo was childish and obviously copying what people do in the UK.

    All that said, I used to enjoy the games a lot and the atmosphere was often very good. The only reason I don't go now is that I can't, but if I was anywhere near Terryland and a match was on I'd still love to attend. Tbf, it's only an element of fans who go on with that sh!t, most are very genuine fans. There's no real glamour attached to the LOI, so the people attending tend to have a far greater appreciation than those who only watch soccer on TV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,912 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Look at the adverts for the EPL it is a consumerism loyalty to a chosen brand rather than a chosen local soccer team.

    LOI fans don’t support their team because of glitz/glamour marketing. It is because it is local and they identify with it because it is local.

    Now I know many LOI fans would support an EPL team as well as a LOI team. No problem there.

    But there is something really off IMO if an Irish soccer person ONLY supports an EPL team and NOT a LOI team. Most of the time such ‘consumers’ (as they are not real sport fans IMO) have only chosen an EPL because that team happened to be winning when they were around ten.

    Which is why I think the vast majority of LOI fans deserve praise not ridicule.

    If anything it should be the opposite with the Irish EPL only consumers. As they marketing consumers from Ireland who only claim to ‘support’ a British team and sneer at LOI and their fans. Such people should hang their heads in shame. They laugh at people who support local, while they themselves chase brands/EPL teams.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Very true tbf, obviously the ones who attend games reguarly are more hardcore fans of the sport than people who only watch it on TV. There can really be no doubt about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,039 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Except for the ones who’ve only started attending in the last few years and, up until then, we’re diehard Man United fans.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Randomfriend


    LOI guy here. I've never really noticed the accent thing, but I support a smaller more rural club, and would be in the away section at other grounds most of the time, I dunno if it's a thing, people will be influenced by the media they consume!

    This is a bizarre thread but I'll try and make a case for the LOI anyway, I'm procrastinating from work. There definitely feels like many replying have never been to a game, or are basing their entire knowledge of the LOI off one or two experiences/incidents, some hearsay or just trying to sneer, whatever. There's certianly a lot of classism flying about, maybe have a look at yourself if that's you.

    Every club will be supported by eejits who cause trouble, that's the same in every sport, every layer of society, the world is on fire, everyone is angry and arguing about everything, football is a microcosm of all that is good and bad in humanity it's too simplistic to tar everyone with the same brush.

    The LOI has been seen as a problem child as JD called it, did not exist according to Trapattoni. It's been neglected and underfunded for decades. but it's ours. Every week hundreds and thousands of people within the community go out and support it, they work in their communities, they fundraise, they coach kids, they make friends and memories for life, it's the fabric towns like Dundalk and Sligo are built upon. People sneer at Bohs but the club is trying to use it's profile to do some good in the world, it may be selfish altruism, but it's still a net positive. Both they and Pats have done volunteer work within the prisons as far as I'm aware. Every LOI club is out there trying to improve their communities, for the most part volunteer driven and on a shoestring, like most clubs from most sports in the country. The women's game and underage structures are finally beginning to get more of the resources and attention they deserve

    Also, I think in terms of who people support, there's some LOI snobs who hate British football, some that support a club at home and abroad, I don't think it's a big deal, I'd probably draw a distinction between the notion of supporting a club vs following another, going to a game/buying a jersey/programme is far more effective in supporting a club vs watching a foreign entity on sky or whatever.

    I think it's cool that we have a league that gives Irish people a pathway in to professional football, things are improving albeit at a glacial pace, the last administration has set the sport back decades but progress is being made and the last two seasons have seen the best combined results Irish clubs have ever had in Europe for instance, we'll only go so far without significant funding from government, but I'm hopeful and look forward to seeing where things will be in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,420 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I attribute the increase in attendances to a weariness with too much football on TV and a desire to get back to the real thing. Along with the higher standards of more recent times. Which I put down in large part to the influence of Stephen Kenny's Dundalk, the best team of all time. I write as a season ticket holder, and a fan since 1975. The same is happening in the North, where attendances are well up, and standards have also improved.

    Ignore the nonsense about English accents, and the malign influence of the EPL.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    They are real football fans, watching a team on tv each week is all that's required to fit the definition of a football fan. A rugby fan is someone who watches rugby often. A tennis fan is someone who watches tennis often. Is their a rule somewhere that your only allowed support a local team? Is their a law which outlaws getting emotionally invested in a foreign team?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,912 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    The only real truth in the above IMO is there is no law against a person from another country claiming to ‘support’ a team from another country only.

    But the truth is such people are more consumers drawn to a massive global brand. Rather than soccer fans in the truest sense. They are more akin to fans of a massive global band or brand.

    The community created is a manufactured one. It is not organic, natural and local.

    This thread seems to have been created in an attempt to knock LOI fans. So people from Ireland who claim to ‘support’ EPL can feel better about themselves.

    To LOI supporters credit they show great restraint. You only have to look at the soccer threads ONE single LOI thread. Beside which are a myriad of global British clubs which are global brands.

    Every year LOI fans have to suffer the ignominy of going to an over priced friendly against a British side. And not only that the ‘support’ of the British side outnumbers the LOI side.

    If anything the OP should be calling those who only support British EPL teams from Ireland ‘West Brit’s’.

    But instead this is the OP’s attempt to hide that fact and instead slag off LOI. Who are by and large proper soccer supporters who know the value of community. And watch soccer because they enjoy the sport not because xyz team is a global brand.

    For Most EPL Irish supporters you can make a good guess of their age on the basis of the EPL brand they claim to follow.

    What does that say? Is it a sincere support? Or a manufactured brand following when aged about 8-10 years old?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    I dunno, are you really a sports fan or just a TV fan if you don't go to matches? Like, people who only watch Man Utd or whoever would seem to me to have more in common with people who watch the Late Late show faithfully than they would have with people who go to matches all the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭pappyodaniel


    I was in Sligo during the Summer and was enjoying a nice quiet pint outside a riverside pub but I could hear the hum of chanting in the distance, it got louder and then it faded away. Weird.

    Anyway I went for a walk down the main streets of the town and I hear it again. Next thing about 20 young Shamrock Rovers fans turn the corner waving their flags ,setting off flares and roaring abuse at the locals. Turns out they were doing laps of the town pre game and were looking for local Sligo Rovers fans to intimidate. It was the most British football thing I've seen on this island.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    English football has a really toxic culture, nasty chants, fans having to be segregated very carefully, gangs arranging fights.

    it’s a real shame that some Irish fans think this is cool and have imported that side of it.



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    The wife was telling me the other day that we should actively cultivate in our boys an interest in soccer and send them to soccer practice a few evenings per week. Bear in mind that where we live, soccer is nowhere near as popular as it is in Ireland, and our boys have never expressed an interest. (They do BJJ, which is way better as an extracurricular imo).

    I said no, soccer inculcates tribalism and pub culture, i.e. it provides a great excuse to waste one's weekend and money sitting in a pub watching soccer, with all that that entails. Almost no one plays it after 35. It gets converted to a beer-swilling spectator sport before too long in most cases. My kids might develop an interest in soccer independently, and if they do, that's fine, but I'm not going to encourage it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,480 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    I know lads who play 5 a side and they are in their 50's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,480 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    not really.


    Also the Derry GAA fans caused a lot of trouble in Dublin after the Galway game this year, its not just soccer fans who cause trouble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,530 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    I guess roaring like a small bull at kids from the sidelines and hitting refs is the only truly Irish way to enjoy a match.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭touts


    When I hear the term West Brit I think upper middle class, tea set in the cupboard, faux posh accent, my son the doctor etc.

    That's not exactly the typical LOI fan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,694 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    I have been to literally hundreds,maybe aproaching a thousand LOI games over the past 35 years.

    I'm not saying it never happens, but never once have I encountered a LOI fan who had become a fan as a result of disillusionment with their English/Scottish team.

    And there are only a certain number of chants...fans sing the same songs in many different countries, and fans import songs/chants/activities they like from other countries (the Icelandic clapping chant and the 'Poznan' being two recent well-known examples).

    With the exception of the horrible 'Whooahhhya' chant in an English accent, I can't think of anything else that makes me think of West Brit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,039 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    To be fair, O, the ones I’ve encountered don’t come out and say “I’m sick of seeing United lose and play terribly”, they say they’re after the “purity” of live soccer and that the English game has been ruined by money. Stuff like that.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Claiming to support? I know fans that have traveled to the uk hundreds of times to support their team, perhaps you simply don't understand the fact that football is a global game.

    Organic, natural and local.. its football we are talking about here and not yogurt. Your knocking EPL fans which is just as bad as knocking LOI fans.

    The fact is the LOI is a much lower standard of football which is why its not as popular. The OP shouldn't be calling anybody west brits or do you have an issue with people liking things just because they are English?

    Of course it's sincere support. Hundreds of millions of people get happiness from following a football team, do these people not deserve to have a bit of happiness?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Still a sports fan, once theirs some emotional investment, once the result matters to you. Some people may even prefer to watch on TV. How would it work otherwise, would you get a stamp when you watch the gave live telling you that your a real fan?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Nah, there's no hierarchy, you're not a better person if you're a hardcore fan. But are you a sports fan at all if you only watch it on TV? I don't think it's the same thing as going to a game anyway.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Anyway, back on topic. LOI games are full of genuine soccer fans, but there tends to be a sprinkling who certainly ape the ways of British supporters, so most LOI fans are not west Brits, but those who are make a lot of noise and are noticed disproportionately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,039 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    To be fair, most LoI fans are there to enjoy the games. Just seems like a large element of the Rovers and Bohs “fans” reveal in causing trouble.

    Has there been any significant crowd “trouble” at any games not involving either side in the last few years? I wouldn’t associate violence with any other side, certainly not to the extent of Rovers or Bohs.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,042 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Can't wait to head to the Brandywell tonight with 3000 other West Brits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I gave LOI a go a long time ago for many years but the standard was fairly poor , not much better than i played myself

    With older age & no free time now its just back to supporting Liverpool ,

    Although when the young fella is old enough i will no doubt go back to games & let him decide himself if its for him ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    It's not the same experience, just a different way of been a fan. If Shamrock Rovers had millions of Americans watching them on tv they would be very happy. Going back to the OP, it sounds like the OP knows very little about how fans act during live matches.



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