Senator seeks court order to reveal any secret RAF protection deal

14-09-2022 11:20am #1

I applaud Senator Craughwell for dragging this issue into the light of day and insisting that the people and the Oireachtas are fully informed of and must give their approval to any such deals. We must face reality and either accept our position as a UK protectorate or take urgent steps to be otherwise.

https://twitter.com/nialljournal_ie/status/1569738804063354883?s=46&t=VbpNLQe8_l2Zj_esFr1wwg

Gatling · 14-09-2022 12:28pm

Been who really cares,it's hardly a big secret some of us have been taking about it for years,

It won't change anything.

Unless we pony up for the 12 fighter jets not trainer aircraft we've flown since the 70s ,

We need a proper Navy , Airforce and Army , properly equipped, with modern equipment, training and pay increase.

Expect 50 whingers to come in and tell us how were neutral,we don't want involvement in invasion or having our soldiers being sent to a war zone ,

think of the children joe

14-09-2022 12:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616719#Comment_119616719

Leaving aside the Defence aspects there is a hugely important point to be seen: who decides on the direction of the country? Is it unelected officials or the Oireachtas? Has an illegal and unconstitutional agreement been reached by civil servants?

This next one won’t happen but if the answer to the last question is yes then someone should be out the door with no pension.

Gatling · 14-09-2022 1:01pm

Illegal and unconstitutional agreement?

kirving · 14-09-2022 1:03pm

Deal or no deal, secret or public, if a rogue plane is in Irish airspace and heading toward the UK, you better believe the RAF will be sending fighter jets into our hopelessly unprotected airspace.

14-09-2022 1:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616882#Comment_119616882

That seems to be the argument: that if such agreement has been made it needed Oireachtas approval and not having that it is unconstitutional and illegal.

xxxxxxl · 14-09-2022 1:51pm

Easy fix. Swap the British for the French. But I wager the French would actually want paying. 🤔

Gatling · 14-09-2022 1:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617154#Comment_119617154

The yanks are already using Shannon ,swap the fees for airpatrols using combat aircraft

14-09-2022 2:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617154#Comment_119617154

If you think the British are not extracting payment or payment in kind…

xxxxxxl · 14-09-2022 2:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617243#Comment_119617243

I'm sure it's easy to find that they are then right ? I assume they just take the hit with the large defence budget. I mean if they had a mind to they could fly around all day no one is going to stop them. Or do we call the British to get the British out of Irish airspace ?

Gatling · 14-09-2022 2:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617243#Comment_119617243

Like what during the bailout they gave us 8bn .

Sure they can keep the 6 counties so

14-09-2022 2:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617274#Comment_119617274

Surely they would make it difficult to find? If payment in kind is secret influence for example?

14-09-2022 2:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617278#Comment_119617278

They loaned money to keep an economy afloat which benefitted them too. Fully paid back.

xxxxxxl · 14-09-2022 2:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617345#Comment_119617345

What influance. They would do it anyway. You think the cute hoor politicians will pay when they can get it for free. It's probably something like this. Ireland will not complain about them in the Airspace on condition they also come when called in certain situations.

14-09-2022 2:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617379#Comment_119617379

The sort that never appears in archives. I’m trying to find if the Senators case is listed. It will be interesting.

xxxxxxl · 14-09-2022 2:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617428#Comment_119617428

It won't be interesting. It will be "but national security" And it's within the mandate of the minister of defence.

14-09-2022 2:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617458#Comment_119617458

It may well be the result. Equally it may not.

xxxxxxl · 14-09-2022 2:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617467#Comment_119617467

True but I don't know what the persons angle is. All laws have been passed so a deal is nothing to do with them. Senators can't barge into the Revenue and demand to be shown everything. It's not a constitutional issue. It would be easier to actually just ask the British.

Victor · 14-09-2022 2:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617243#Comment_119617243

Yes, we occasionally tell Russian 'fishing vessels' (surveillance platforms) to go away.

14-09-2022 2:54pm

Good to see Craughwell doing his best for his former buddies in the Defence Forces. I'd say the DF Chief of Staff (and former ace Air Corps pilot) Seán Clancy is delighted with him.

14-09-2022 5:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617527#Comment_119617527

His angle: any such deal with the RAF needs Dáil and Senate approval first. Any deal done without that is illegal.

xxxxxxl · 14-09-2022 5:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618254#Comment_119618254

Under what section of law.

14-09-2022 5:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618326#Comment_119618326

It’s in the article. Constitution.

xxxxxxl · 14-09-2022 5:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618351#Comment_119618351

Is there a link to this ? I asked as I am not sure and I did not say it was Illegal.

14-09-2022 5:41pm

That would be the original post at the top of the page.

xxxxxxl · 14-09-2022 5:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618419#Comment_119618419

There is a reason I asked. Article 29.5.1 does not come up on

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/ResultsTitle.html?q=Article+29.5.1

14-09-2022 5:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618431#Comment_119618431

Sounds like a typo.

Gatling · 14-09-2022 5:48pm

So a quoted act doesn't actually exist.

Not getting a lot of traction on this at all

xxxxxxl · 14-09-2022 5:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618438#Comment_119618438

Fair enough but you would expect the article to be fact checked. ho hum.

Gatling · 14-09-2022 5:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618459#Comment_119618459

That's the journal for ya

bmc58 · 14-09-2022 5:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616882#Comment_119616882

I'm not sure.I'm happy to have the Brits keeping an eye on the Russians around our seas and skys .We cannot do it ourselves and no matter what to think about the British they are a friendly nation to us now.

Senator seeks court order to reveal any secret RAF protection deal

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