WTF.A minutes silence for the death of Queen Elizabeth in the Dail today. Micheal Collins and Dev

AMKC · 14-09-2022 8:12pm #1

Woukd be turning in their graves.

All the men and Women who died for us so we could have our own independence and freedom and not have to bow to no King or Queen and these baffons are It. It baffles the mind.

Time for them to go after the next budget I think. They can feck off to the UK if they want to be doing that sh-it.

Edit: I have nothing against the British. It was the ones in the past that Ruled us not the Current ones.

Jim_Hodge · 14-09-2022 8:21pm

More of this cr@p. Thankfully most of the nation are more mature than this.

Strumms · 14-09-2022 8:48pm

They wouldn’t be having a minute’s silence in the House of Commons if Michael D died in the Áras as every politician and civil servant would be well aware of.

so why are we doing it in this situation ?

its bad judgement on behalf of whomever firstly suggested it, bad judgement subsequently from whomever backed it and bad judgement from whomever participated in it…

poor show…

Quantum Erasure · 14-09-2022 9:01pm

Did we have a minute for Hitler...?

SCOOP 64 · 14-09-2022 9:04pm

Thought that was a nice touch myself the minutes silence.

touts · 14-09-2022 9:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619521#Comment_119619521

Maybe we're more mature than them.

Poor Uncle Tom · 14-09-2022 9:12pm

Shouldn't come as any surprise, fu** Dail is silent on most current affairs these days.......

AMKC · 14-09-2022 9:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619356#Comment_119619356

Well it is the place for it is it not?

After Hours after all is mostly full of crap.

L1011 · 14-09-2022 9:15pm

Nearest neighbour, who are really not taking this well; and who we have a complicated political relationship with. Its an irrelevant minute on the first day back after many weeks off.

AMKC · 14-09-2022 9:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619613#Comment_119619613

There is being mature and there is disrespecting all those oh fought for our freedom from the Crown. I think it was very disrespectfull to Micheal Collins and James Joyce and Dev and all the others that fought so we could be independent.

walshb · 14-09-2022 9:18pm

Not another bash the Brits thread!!!!

gormdubhgorm · 14-09-2022 9:20pm

Gestures and peace are all about using symbolism in a positive sense. That is how respect is shown. Particularly among societies who like to create a 'them v us' on either side. Someone has to show maturity and cop on instead. Setting an example.

A rather apt example is the reaction across the political world when John Hume died two years ago.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-53634709

And a man of peace like John Hume understood positive symbolism, in pursuit of a more sustained peace. It does not cost anything to show maturity and respect.

The opposite is an inferiority complex with a chip on your shoulder. That gets no one anywhere and only causes divisiveness. Such as this thread where some people live a life of 'them and us' in the small confines of their minds. Small minded bigots basically.

walshb · 14-09-2022 9:21pm

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Couldn’t agree more. Full of sense, decency and maturity

14-09-2022 9:21pm

Another Brit hating thread. How original

(because that’s all it is, no matter how it’s dressed up)

billyhead · 14-09-2022 9:21pm

It an act of solidarity. No harm done. It's good PR.

walshb · 14-09-2022 9:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619684#Comment_119619684

Why only go back that far?

gormdubhgorm · 14-09-2022 9:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619704#Comment_119619704

Exactly even SF have copped this, to grow as party. But some boards posters don't seem to understand politics when it suits them.

Dr Turk Turkelton · 14-09-2022 9:26pm

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Ah yes that great republican James Joyce.

Many an angry alcohol fuelled poem did he write to free our country with his British passport in hand.

as_mo_bhosca · 14-09-2022 9:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619684#Comment_119619684

You could at least get your rebels' names' correct! James Joyce? Where exactly did he fight?

Fallout2022 · 14-09-2022 9:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619356#Comment_119619356

graves

walshb · 14-09-2022 9:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619599#Comment_119619599

We still can?!

walshb · 14-09-2022 9:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058263392/wtf-a-minutes-silence-for-the-death-of-queen-elizabeth-in-the-dail-today-micheal-collins-and-dev

I’m going to disagree here. I actually don’t think they would be turning in their graves.I think they’d be happy with the amount of progress both our nations have seen. Yes, they might still wonder when the North will be United with the South, but I reckon these men would try see the positives here between our nation and our neighbour. They’re probably not near as bitter as people would have you believe.

AMKC · 14-09-2022 9:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619716#Comment_119619716

That's all I can remember lol. There was your man who nearly freed the Country but had to go back to the house to see his love one last time and got caught and many others over the Centuries too.

Long time since I was in school lol.

Leg End Reject · 14-09-2022 9:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619724#Comment_119619724

The queen herself did it with her cúpla focail and the later famous handshake with Martin McGuinness.

You can look back with bitterness, or try to tentatively move forward with respect.

Leg End Reject · 14-09-2022 9:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619742#Comment_119619742

And a bank holiday!

walshb · 14-09-2022 9:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619755#Comment_119619755

No no no. A day of mourning!😜

Notmything · 14-09-2022 9:35pm

Michael Collins signed a treaty that left a king as our head of state, and took an oath to him. So yeah, not sure if he would be as pissed as the op makes out.

Amazing how many people are annoyed that the country is taking a moment to acknowledge the death of the head of our nearest neighbours. Shows a bit of maturity and not living in the past.

walshb · 14-09-2022 9:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619754#Comment_119619754

Perfect!

Dr Turk Turkelton · 14-09-2022 9:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619751#Comment_119619751

No sh1t?

I'm sure there is a barstool missing it's republican in your local tonight.

trashcan · 14-09-2022 9:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619737#Comment_119619737

He was in the GPO . Only went in to buy some stamps, but that’s another story !

14-09-2022 9:49pm

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Larbre34 · 14-09-2022 9:50pm

It was when we were a bitter, scared, cowed, poor, brow beaten, pious little Country, full of spite and abuse, that we wouldn't have marked the passing of the Head of State of our nearest neighbour, when we wouldn't have done enough for the fear of doing too much.

Now, as it happens, the new King is a visitor here more than people know, because he visits friends privately and is even a close friend of our President and Head of State and they have a relationship of equals.

And so we acknowledge the death of his mother and the efforts she made to support peace on this island in the latter decades of her reign.

Just a simple mark of respect and acknowledgement. Like all the people who stood outside front gates during Covid as the funerals passed by.

Basic decency, nothing more, nothing less and we get on with our day.

StupidLikeAFox · 14-09-2022 10:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058263392/wtf-a-minutes-silence-for-the-death-of-queen-elizabeth-in-the-dail-today-micheal-collins-and-dev

Any thoughts on what they would have how they felt about abortion or gay marraige?

I think it's time to leave the ghosts of devalera and Collins in their graves and forge our own future tbh - think about the future you want for your grandkids not the past that your grandparents wanted

ancapailldorcha · 14-09-2022 10:14pm

Why should 21st century Ireland be beholden to a group of men who've almost all been dead for over a century? I've never understood this logic? Should the Irish working classes go back to scrounging a living off the land because James Connolly wouldn't approve of the EU or Ireland's current corporation tax rate?

AMKC · 14-09-2022 10:24pm

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Nope. I am.not one fir bars I hate them well unless they have F1 on but even them ones are useless with the noisy ejits watching rubbish football in it and other people talking. Not worth the hassle

Ten of Swords · 14-09-2022 10:24pm

All the men and Women who died for us so we could have our own independence and freedom and not have to bow to no King or Queen and these baffons are It. It baffles the mind.

Eh, do we not still have independence and freedom or did I miss something?

AMKC · 14-09-2022 10:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619860#Comment_119619860

I don't have any kids never mind grandkids lol and that's the way I like it.

Leg End Reject · 14-09-2022 10:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619944#Comment_119619944

Maybe we were invaded again during the minute's silence and missed it?

Leg End Reject · 14-09-2022 10:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619956#Comment_119619956

Do you have nieces or nephews? Do you want the next generation to inherit hate and bigotry for others for events of the past?

14-09-2022 10:36pm

Very generous gesture. As a mature state I expect the UK to reciprocate should the unfortunate event arise.

AMKC · 14-09-2022 11:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119619966#Comment_119619966

Yes I do have nieces and nephews and no I do not.

end of the road · 14-09-2022 11:23pm

i agree op, it was cap doffing fauning crap.

it was not maturity or moving on or any of the other drivel churned out by the "maturity" brigade.

we can have a relationship with our neighbour away as we should, but we should absolutely not be holding minute silences because the head of a moraly bankrupt and out of date institution passes away.

she was not our queen, he is not our king and will never be, this is ireland and not little britain.

Larbre34 · 14-09-2022 11:32pm

What a small minded, desperate and petulant reaction that is.

If the German Federal President or the King of the Netherlands or Sweden or Norway had died last week, there would still be a minute's silence in the Dáil in the presence of that Country's Ambassador, only the News would not likely even bother reporting it.

Its what nations do among fellow nations and were Michael D to wake up dead tomorrow, the same respects would be paid in Capitals abroad.

Our judgement from Ireland, on the merits of a Monarchy or the moral bankruptcy of the British aristocratic ascendancy are frankly irrelevant. Its a matter for the British people to keep it or bin it, without any ****s to give as to what the Irish think.

And I suspect for all its obvious flaws, the Queen's death will actually renew it for quite a while longer.

end of the road · 14-09-2022 11:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620152#Comment_119620152

nothing small minded or petty about it at all, simply a recognition of cap doffing nonsense that has no place in this country in this instance and is not being done in mine, or other's name.

yeah, not a chance would a minute silence be held in britain if our president died and it wouldn't be expected.

actually our judgement on the moral bankruptsy of the british monarchy is relevant when politicians are engaging in cap doffing on our behalf.

actually the death of the queen is likely to see it off long term.

Cookie_Monster · 15-09-2022 1:10am

I wish NZ were only doing a minutes silence, the feckers in govt here have given themselves a week off

Strazdas · 15-09-2022 1:22am

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It also seems to have escaped the attention of the minutes silence bashers that there are around 1m British citizens / UK passport holders living on this island (some of whom compete for our sports teams). It's as if this fact is completely meaningless to them.

Jim2007 · 15-09-2022 1:26am

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It’s always amusing how some people with no actual personal knowledge of death seem to think they have a right to speak for them, projecting their opinions and their agenda on to dead.

Collins, de Valera, et al, were men and women of their time not ours and you nor I nor anyone has any idea how they would act in to days world so show them the respect of not claiming them for your little agenda.

And in any case both Collins and de Valera took the oath of allegiance etc and given the nature and importance of the relationship to suggest that they would do otherwise than follow protocol is far fetched at best.

Sardonicat · 15-09-2022 1:32am

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They are taking really well. Perfectly, in fact. Exactly how they are intended to take it. With a great big dollop BS that they are swallowing whole. Just because the British public are dutifully complying with the orchestrated hysteria doesn't mean we should, too. Not our circus, not our monkeys. An official message of condolence from our state to theirs is sufficient, respectful and appropriate.

15-09-2022 3:08am

I dunno. While certainly the designated mourning period over there, and all that goes with it, is as good an example of collective psychosis as you could get, I don't know that just a minute's silence in the Dáil (and nothing more) is an issue. As has been said, it's fairly standard stuff following the passing of a head of state. Although I wouldn't consider it disrespectful NOT to hold one. But no biggie tbh - in my opinion.

This Friday though, the national broadcaster will be holding an edition of its biggest talk show entirely devoted to the queen, its prescheduled guest slots being postponed or cancelled. Now that is just absurd.

And it's not "Brit bashing" - politics aside, modern Britain is a great country: multicultural with a superb, rich tapestry of music, literature, film, television, radio/podcasts, theatre and comedy. The monarchy, and even worse, the brainwashed, jingoistic royalists within the media and public, are another matter though - plenty of Brits themselves would be the first to state this.

patnor1011 · 15-09-2022 3:20am

Meh, nothing to see here. Our landlords paying tribute to the nearest and the biggest landlord passing.

kowloonkev · 15-09-2022 4:25am

I think the correct response would be to send dignitaries over to the UK to pay respects. Irish people in the UK should be respectful and follow any protocol necessary. However, in Ireland, in a room full of Irish people it is just political grandstanding to observe a minute's silence for any foreign head of state, and the British will privately view it at such.

WTF.A minutes silence for the death of Queen Elizabeth in the Dail today. Micheal Collins and Dev

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