Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

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Yep. Cameron was cocky and assumed he could win. The 2014 Indy ref win probably fuelled his cockiness. Damned fool will rightly be judged very harshly by history (and present).

To be fair to him, I doubt he ever expected that it would be even close. The UK, as seen with the continual voting for the Tory party, are very slow to make a change. They much prefer to keep things as they are even when they accept that it doesn't work. Look at FPTP. Nobody thinks it is working, but you would be hard pushed to get people to vote to change it.

As was said, INdyRef was pulled out of the fire, the surprise election result all gave his the feeling that he was unbeatable. The UK have been paying the price for his hubris ever since.

But he is not solely to blame. Farage, Johnson, JRM, IDS, Baker, Davis, and many media outlets. They all sold the lie to the UK public that this was easy. Nothing was going to change, except everything would be better. And richer. And the NHS would be properly funded. And wages would go up. And bills would come down.

IndyRef really only turned when the UK government promised a load of the devo max concessions that they instantly went back on.

Maybe every city should copy Limerick and have a bit of rock in the town centre to remind people never to trust an English promise.

I think breezy meant the Treaty stone

And how the english honoured their own treaty

EU proposes windfall tax on Energy companies - so this might be one of the (elusive till now) 'benefits' of BREXIT that UK does not need to do the windfall tax and because of this tax by the EU all the big energy companies now will leave the EU countries and only do business in the UK from now on - possible!!!

I don't believe that's how the cap works. Like its not as if you can heat your swimming pools and stables effectively for free, because of a 'cap'.

It's more that it's a max price per kw, and the media & gov press releases translates that into the GBP value of what a normal suburban 3 bed-semi/terrace would expect to pay for average use. And thus they say the cap is £4000 a year or whatever. But if you use twice the normal kw, you'll have an £8000 bill.

It probably shouldn't be called a cap, bad choice of word really.

I think the cap includes oil gas and electricity..I’m not sure how it works

It's a rate cap not a bill cap. The media quote the average annual bill figures as they are vastly easier to understand than unit rates for most people

Oil not included. (So much for calling it an energy or indeed a cap) Martin Lewis explains it here.

thanks to previous posters for clariying

https://youtu.be/eYH2zeilfZ8

Ireland at least feels more balanced. Most towns across the country will have a similar number and standard of pubs/cafes/shops as other towns the same size.

The difference between the UKs key and other towns and cities is shocking.

Not sure if it has been updated but previously there was a list of the 10 poorest regions in Northern Europe. 9 were in the UK. The UK has crippled a lot of regions and made them dependent on London.

The fact that the main reason against Irish unity at this point is that the UK has crippled the economy to the point where unity is a massive financial burden that Ireland would likely need EU help with is the biggest example of this.