Working class! Why bother, whats to gain.

Are computer science majors working class now?

I don't really agree or disagree with some of these points, but I think some of the points are exaggerated.

1. There are not many long term unemployed. We're at 4.3% unemployment which is as low as it's ever gotten. There are many reasons people are unemployed, but long term unemployed is a low fraction of the entire adult working population. Training courses and placements massage these figures to make the government look good, but by and large the vast vast majority work and pay tax.
2. Stamp systems would likely cost more than what they would save, considering a lot of social welfare is recovered in various taxes.
3. There is no benefit to checking SW recipient's expenditure. There are systems in place to prevent fraud.

A lot of your points relate to cost of housing, which is more related to a complete failure in housing policy than pay, cost of living and many other factors that people point to. Housing was very affordable before 2017. It's only recently that a large combination of factors has pushed it above affordable in some areas in the country. It's a huge issue, but the only solution is to build more houses and apartments.

RE the second part

1. Ireland has a progressive tax system. I agree that it's excessive and if you're of good health and no kids then you'll hardly see a penny of your tax in any government service. That said Irish healthcare (for all its scandals) is up there in terms of delivery. Very few people die because they didn't get seen to, or because Ireland doesn't offer a service that other first-world countries offer. The standard of living in Ireland is very high for everyone, compared to our neighbours.
2. Planning regs are a response to decades of lack of planning regulations. Again, I think they're excessive but here we are.
3. Public expenditure is accessed here if you want it: https://whereyourmoneygoes.gov.ie/en/

"In my experience its like this. They tell you to go to college and get a good job...ect"

Your family tells you this, not the government. You don't have to go to college. Get a trade, earn money immediately, or go to college outside of Dublin and pay cheaper rent and maybe cheaper fees. It's all the same at the end of the day. You don't need to move to a city for work, COVID changed all that for many. I don't think you're necessarily wrong, but you're definitely a glass half empty.

As someone maybe further down your career path, whatever you are earning now is pittance compared to what you will probably earn in ten years. A fresh grad, however smart and hardworking, rarely even covers their cost. A few years of experience will make you far more valuable and you will eventually be rewarded in multiples of your current salary. The point of the degree was not to compare v your peers on year one as a fresh grad, compare your salary in ten years v a trade for example and remember that you won't have to be lifting boards or climbing into crawl spaces with poor ventilation when you are in your sixties.

If you have a half decent computer science degree and you want to earn money but you find that you aren't earning 80k+, or even 100k+, by the time you hit 30, then you only have yourself to blame.

Before anyone loses their sh1t - I'm not saying that everyone who has such a degree is on that money. Just that if you want that, then it is fairly achievable.

If they want to make the big bucks then they can head to the US. West Coast is where it has been at the last 5+ years. There are fresh graduates walking into the big companies over there, starting on about $200k. You might think it's crazy, but that's the way it is.

You are blaming welfare for the cost of housing housing is expensive cos lack of supply , houses need water, power, maybe gas, we need planning regulations because otherwise there would be chaos, what happened is after the boom bust in 2007, company's went bankrupt, building slowed down, many builders left Ireland to work in the EU, UK. That's how economy's work the banks were bailed by the government

All this is nothing to do with the welfare system

Governments since 2008 had no long term plan to increase the no of houses built, the tax system in regard to landlords is bad, they are paying maybe 50 per cent tax if you are a programmer you are likely on a good wage you could probably afford a 1 bed apartment maybe 200k

I listen to a podcast rocket relay fm. Christina warren says she's on a good wage she lives in sanfran USA she says she can't afford to buy an apartment in SF, eg average cost is 1.5 million for a standard apartment she's a senior cloud tech advocate Microsoft

The population has increased since 2008 we could use at least 200k housing units it's due to bad bank regulation bad planning that you cant buy a house look at the news every week there's an item local nimbys objecting to new apartments being built in dublin

People in houses don't want a 4 storey block being built in the area delays increase the cost of building the price of housing

We have inflation supply side crisis rising energy costs i think it'll take maybe 5 years to tackle the housing crisis building materials are 35 per cent higher since 2020

You might as well say its the weather global warming for the cost of housing let's say the government reduces taxs on salarys is that not going to increase house prices? You are competing with meta google workers when you go to buy a house

Working class are people who work in shops eg they don't have degrees they don't work in an office they drive trucks taxis vans the work on building sites eg they do manual labour

If you work at a desk use a pc laptop all day you are not working class you gave a degree or some technical qualification there's more young people going to college now than in the 80s, 90s

I don't blame gen z for being angry they pay taxs they pay high rents for mediocre rental units and the cost of living is going up every week

another welfare bashing thread 🙄

You said you wonder what's the point? Here's the point (my opinion at least). To recreate and pass on knowledge. Simplify it if you're getting too worked up about it all. You are young and you've a whole life ahead of you, don't be getting caught up in the idea that you can change anything and waste your youth trying - You can't. So just enjoy what you can control and forget the rest.

Recreate, pass on knowledge to your progeny and hope you did a good job.

I presume you have costed this bold initiative OP?

Many estates that were working class are now welfare class!

Huge amount of lazy families all seemed to manage to get on Disability which takes them out of the 4% odd unemployed numbers. If you are threatening and unruly the welfare crowd are so afraid they will sign you off for disabilty and instead harress the law abiding unemployed..

If you are 60 year old man whos worked 40 years on the buildings but the bodys now knackered they'll cut you off if you dont get a job .

DA is the holy grail of welfare, something to be aspired to.

I see no problem if there's one person working and the other person staying home to mind the kids, if they can afford to do so. I doubt if the government could afford to reduce taxs to 20 per cent for everyone who earns under 100k and if they did it could simply increase house prices in most areas. Adult working age could mean someone aged 55 years of age theres no law saying everyone

has to work even if they have children

The one thing I completely agree with in this thread is the upper tax level kicks in way too low. It's almost like a punishment. It also makes asking for a raise more difficult too both for employer and employee. Want 10 grand raise? You have to ask for 20 essentially for you to really benefit.

Maybe should kick in around 70 or 80 would be fairer.

op we have fcuked things up big time for your generation, the problem is not with welfare classes but with the bullsh1t free market libertarian horsesh1t thats fcuking your generation over big time, really, the problem is not with welfare classes, thats just another part of this horseh1t ideology, i.e. blaming those that are not causing the problem!