Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I don't want to derail the thread but this was basically his kind of logic. Someone could only be considered a covid death if they were otherwise completely healthy. The thing is a lot of those co-morbidities were things like hypertension and diabetes - things that people could have easily lived for decades more with had they not gotten covid and died.

Lots more pro-Russian officials getting assassinated in occupied territory:

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A bit far fetched that the Russians hit it purely out of spite and it just so happened to benefit their defense of Kherson along the Inhulets. They also hit a 2nd dam yesterday further North at Iskrivka, which will make the flooding worse again in short term. The goal is obviously to trap Ukrainians on the left side of the Inhulets.

Videos of Ukrainian trenches nearby being totally swamped with rising waters too, soon to be trenchfoot season 🤢

Reuters have withdrawn the report that bodies were found in Izium with ropes around their necks. They will issue a revised report.

What a gift to the apologists for Putin.

All I'm suggesting is to suspend judgement for the moment and wait till verification arrives. Reports of bodies with hands tied would indicate murders carried out after occupation - how many of these are there and percentage? Do we know much of the initial takeover of Izyum, did it just capitulate to Russian forces or was there preliminary shelling and a battle? This would explain casualties that needed to be buried and crosses erected etc.

It's easy to say Bucha#2 and easy for Ukraine to hint at that for the PR. If anyone thinks they wouldn't exploit such a find, they're naive.

But it may or may not be the case. Of course any citizens and soldiers killed are due to Russian invasion but there is a degree of difference between those killed in battle and those hunted down and killed afterwards.

Russian video posted on Telegram will warm your hearts. Russian police fighting with a Wagner soldier in a hotel. Wagnerite says “Do you know who I am?” before getting the **** kicked out of him 😆

https://t.co/Cqd3fyUZex

I think its a certainty that this runs into next year but maybe not too long into next year. People have mentioned about winter slowing the Ukrainians as the lands surrounding the roads become a quagmire of mud. And whilst that may be true its also true for the russians. They have shown themselves incapable of any sort of logistical capabilities in almost perfect conditions and that going to fall off a cliff in the coming month. So we'll see a situation where we have cold, wet and hungry russians holed up in one position, unable to move around and unable to get supplies.

These positions will be easy to find for an army with the drone technology available to the Ukrainians. I would fully expect that they are also adapting drones to carry infra red and night vision cameras which is something the Russians won't have. So death from the skies either directly from the drones or targeted info sent to the various long range rocket systems being employed could come day or night. The psychological effect of this cannot be underestimated. It won't matter how many bodies the Russians will have packed behind the frontlines when they are mentally breaking day by day. And sending in these hundreds of prisoners, many of whom will already have psychological issues or borderline personalities could add interesting fuel to the fire. Armies all over the west put their forces through all types of psychological pressures such as hell weeks to see how they react before sending them to the front. The Russians are gathering people who certainly wouldn't pass those tests and sending them anyway.

Have to agree, winter will be more difficult for all. But who is the most motivated to suffer a bit and continue to press - no doubt about that answer. Cut and target the supply lines to Russian forces and they could really suffer. This is likely the focus of current Ukrainian strategy, to get positions where they can constrict supplies in the next 2-3 months and make life as miserable as possible for Russian military.

All we have to do is to stick on an extra jumper or jacket.

But they are!! That is one of Ukraine's strategies and rightfully so. To keep feeding stories to European media, so as to keep their situation at or near the top of the news cycle. It's nothing to do with Russian strategy to simply recognise this and take it into account.

Zelensky didn't actually accuse Russia of war crimes in his TV address last night. He simply said that a mass grave had been discovered in Izyum, that authorities were investigating and observed that the Russians leave death and destruction everywhere they go (a fair and accurate observation about the fascist regime).

I'd offer you a spade, but your mouth is managing just fine on it's own. You know, when the top of the hole is above your head, you're allowed to stop.

I would say desperation is the motive. They could hit something that would do some damage hopefully. That damage civilian or military is irrelevant for them, they just want some achievement to point at to deflect and hopefully increase morale (from their perspective). It's encouraging that they feel so desperate.