LC Written Examiners, 2022

Bluespecs · 04-08-2022 10:13am

Two questions:

When Superintending an exam that is over 200 km away from base (also very bad roads, really slow route etc. - all mainland, no islands), can one claim the Sunday night before the exam? To travel up that morning and ensure arrival in a timely manner would otherwise entail leaving at 3 - 4am on the Monday.

For online marking, how much is one paid for a full 3-day online conference: is one just paid 1 conference fee, or 3 conference fees?

Random sample · 04-08-2022 1:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119427003#Comment_119427003

For overnights, I think the guide is that any start earlier than 7.30 would be considered unreasonable and an overnight should be taken.

I thought they just had a conference fee. Mine is a ‘two day conference fee’, so I would assume there is a fee for a three day one too.

Random sample · 05-08-2022 8:24pm

Did anyone else not get a marking advance? I had the email about my prsi status, but nothing since.

RealJohn · 08-08-2022 4:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119434688#Comment_119434688

Got my 'advance' today (sprioc lá was last week, so I'm not sure if it counts as an 'advance' at this stage). They taxed it though, and I think it was smaller than before too, so it feels like a pittance right now. Still, I suppose it means that the balance will be bigger. I hope.

Random sample · 08-08-2022 7:31pm

I live in hope so.

I would actually prefer to get it all together at the end. At least I’d be sure of what i got.

jrmb · 09-08-2022 1:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119446503#Comment_119446503

That's fair, but you'd be able to see it all together on Revenue MyAccount anyway.

Random sample · 09-08-2022 8:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119449123#Comment_119449123

I don’t think revenue includes expenses though, which can make a fair difference to some sec work.

daretodream · 12-08-2022 5:31pm

Has marking of exams finished at this point?

gaiscioch · 15-08-2022 4:54pm

I just rang up SEC Financials (the line is open 4pm -5pm) and they told me they still haven't received my form from my Advising Examiner, which was news to me as I sent it to the AE weeks ago. So I contacted the AE.

Good idea to check that they have your form rather than assuming they have.

happyoutscan · 26-08-2022 7:07pm

Still waiting, I might take your advice on Monday and give them a ring gaiscioch.

brightsideb · 27-08-2022 11:40pm

Any idea of when we'll be paid this year? The sooner the better.

Random sample · 28-08-2022 10:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119531296#Comment_119531296

I wouldn’t expect it too soon. It’ll be 6 weeks after your advising examiner sent in the form anyway.

Hoping for it early usually leads to disappointment and takes the good out of it.

am_zarathustra · 11-09-2022 10:45am

Has anyone been paid yet? I was paid last year around this time but nothing on ROS yet!

deiseindublin · 11-09-2022 11:32am

Nothing here, expecting it later this year looking at replies on the Invigilator thread.

spurious · 11-09-2022 12:13pm

I was an Adv. Examiner this year and forwarded all my team's stuff to the CAE on the 20th July.

Even allowing a full week for the CAE to get organised and send it on, that still means we're past the 28 working days now.

Random sample · 11-09-2022 4:18pm

I presume I can give up on the advance at this stage…

am_zarathustra · 11-09-2022 5:55pm

In fairness, it was getting better the last few years, I'd have taken no advance and a faster end payment! I might try calling tomorrow. We were done very early this year so I can't see why if we finished earlier we would be paid later.

am_zarathustra · 11-09-2022 5:57pm

Automatic response from SEC

SEC Financial Section are currently processing a large volume of Contract Staff Claims and are unable to respond directly to your email at this time.

We have an agreement with the teacher unions that commits us to making every effort to process payments to Contract Staff within 30 working days of receipt of a properly completed form of account.

We make every effort to process all claims for payment from contract staff as efficiently as possible and in so doing to undertake all necessary checks to ensure that payments are made in accordance with all relevant policies and protocols. We also make advance payments to contract staff which are deducted from the claim of account.

We will endeavour to reply to your query as soon as possible.

Regards

Financial Section

gaiscioch · 14-09-2022 4:55am

I finished marking on 2 August. I sent all my things to my Advising Examiner that day, and he sent it to the Chief Examiner for my subject. The former told me that if payment is anything like last year, I'll be paid in October because the Chief Examiner for the subject did not return the forms promptly.

Once again, the SEC refuses to give the basic respect of prompt payment to its examiners. And then they complain each year that not enough teachers offer to mark the State Examinations.

rainbowtrout · 14-09-2022 2:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615521#Comment_119615521

It's only about 6 weeks since you sent it off. Maybe hold off and see what happens first. Two of the teachers I work with got paid in the last few days

am_zarathustra · 14-09-2022 7:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617473#Comment_119617473

I should be paid friday, we finished a week earlier or possibly less so it might be sooner than you think. The person who got back to me eventually was very helpful, send an email with your buk number of pps and they should be able to tell you where you are on the schedule!

joebloggs32 · 16-09-2022 12:14am

I got my payment today. I posted in my claim form to my AE on July 21st

pandoraj09 · 16-09-2022 8:49am

Got paid yesterday. Really happy with what I got. Well worth the 25 and a half days slog!!!!!!! Our sprioclá was July 27th.

brightsideb · 16-09-2022 2:14pm

Still waiting! Last day was 22nd. Hoping to see it soon. Emailed the SEC with bunk no. And ppsn.

brightsideb · 16-09-2022 3:29pm

Update:

"We log all forms of account as soon as we receive same here into the financial Section, and to date we have not yet received yours, we are aware of claims missing for this subject, and we are currently investigating same with the Advising Examiners, and the Chief Advising Examiners."

Unsure what to make of it!

Purefrank128 · 16-09-2022 5:14pm

What subject?

brightsideb · 16-09-2022 5:25pm

JC English

Random sample · 16-09-2022 5:26pm

I got paid, earlier than I thought, but not accurate. This is the crap I hate. The emailing back and forth and watching until it is right.

I’d be raging if AE hadn’t sent my form in!

brightsideb · 16-09-2022 6:53pm

It's incredibly frustrating. I posted my forms on the 22nd July. Won't be doing this again next year!

deiseindublin · 16-09-2022 8:36pm

I know it's no help to anyone needing the payment quickly, but I was used to being paid mid October to mid November when I started first, so I wouldn't even wonder at it 'til end of September, and then hope it'll be soon. I got an email yesterday or day before to say that I'd be paid next Thursday, and if not, the following one. They must be getting loads of calls about payment to say they sent that, I don't ever remember getting one before.

The SEC staff are under so much pressure all the time, it's not unusual to get a call from them up to 9pm at night, it must be such a fraught working environment to be in every day.

am_zarathustra · 16-09-2022 8:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119626907#Comment_119626907

Ah, I've never heard of that, that's mad! Hope it gets sorted!

Treppen · 17-09-2022 12:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119628105#Comment_119628105

Ya the whole thing about payroll being under soooo much pressure with paperwork doesn't really wash with me.

It's simple, you do the work, you get paid.

It's not as if they didn't know you'd be marking or how many papers would be sat, and how many markers they would be paying.

They knew well in advance, but yet here we are again dealing with "lost paperwork", if you were a private sector employee and told you may or may not get paid 2 months later (but do the work anyway) I think you'd be looking for a different job.

deiseindublin · 17-09-2022 5:55pm

I'm not saying it's ok Treppen, just that I was accustomed to it from the mid 90s, so I have zero expectation before October. I know they should pay faster, but it's the big offices in the SEC that are at fault, not the poor wretches at the end of the email and phones answering frustrated/broke examiners. When thing gets manic they're pulled out of Exams Financial to others areas, so bound to be behind.

rainbowtrout · 18-09-2022 5:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119630368#Comment_119630368

It's not that simple. They can only process what has been sent into them. If an AE or CAE has delayed in sending back paperwork, that is not the fault of the person in payroll who is dealing with it. If payroll told me they hadn't received my form yet, I would be dropping a line to my AE and asking what the story is, I've had to do that in the past. The other thing is some teachers take the piss with what they are claiming for, and those things have to be followed up with CAE/ Chief Examiner to see if they have been approved or not, and that slows down processing. Most examiners I would imagine fill in their forms accurately, but some attempt to claim for stuff they are not entitled to.

brightsideb · 18-09-2022 6:00pm

If I don't hear back about this soon I will make contact with my AE. I only claimed the basics. Nothing extra. Posted the form the same day I finished and was told by my AE that they would be posting our forms within 2 days.

N Q T · 18-09-2022 10:31pm

I'm hoping to be paid this week. I haven't been paid by any employer since 15 July, when I got €288 net from the SEC at the same time as €200 net from the department. I haven't been able to pause my outgoings (€800 a month if I stick to a tight budget). There's no way I could mark exams again or encourage anyone in my situation to do it unless the payment system changes completely. The last few weeks wouldn't have been a struggle if I had done any other summer job.

brightsideb · 19-09-2022 5:54pm

Update:

"We received all these forms of account in today in the post, and we endeavour to issue payment as soon as possible."

am_zarathustra · 19-09-2022 6:58pm

God, that's highly unusual! To be fair any advising examiner I've dealt with has been fantastic, sorry this happened!

spurious · 20-09-2022 4:22pm

That's shocking.

Not that it is any defence, but I believe the CAE waits until they have all the forms from their AEs (who in turn wait for all the forms from their Examiners) so the delay may have been another Examiner. Still though, almost two months is unforgivable.

N Q T · 21-09-2022 10:58am

Six working weeks have passed since my form of account was received but there's no sign that it's been processed. I marked my full set of scripts plus a third by the sprioclá and didn't claim any expenses. I knew it would be demanding work but they really haven't kept their side of the deal.

brightsideb · 21-09-2022 5:45pm

Totally agree. Won't be correcting next year.

History Queen · 22-09-2022 11:36pm

Ah here... there must be a backstory to this.... students will be waiting a while for results.

Random sample · 24-09-2022 8:54am

I wonder have they found a stack of unmarked papers or is the problem

across subjects?

either way it is unsettling.

spurious · 24-09-2022 10:33am

I know in at least one of the 'big three' subjects there was a big problem getting examiners.

dory · 24-09-2022 10:12pm

Finally got paid on Thursday. It's annoying to have to wait but have to say on the whole I'd do it again. This will pay for quite a few household bills.

It would be great if this year's bonus payment just became the norm.

29-09-2022 8:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119630368#Comment_119630368

This is not correct. Tradesmen often are left waiting for weeks to be paid. And have to do additional work in chasing up slow payers.

Expenses are only paid once a quarter in some companies, meaning people are out of pocket three months.

Believe it or not among the moan fest that's here, other people have it worse off.

Treppen · 30-09-2022 8:42pm

We'll look who it is!

Chief thread spoiler himself...

Back with the old dog in a manger argument as his opening gambit.

How quaint.

30-09-2022 9:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119686744#Comment_119686744

Great. I see you don't rebuff my point and resort instead to childish personal digs.

I'm happy to correct you on this point. Wouldn't want you feeling more hard done by than everyone in the private sector, now would we.

Treppen · 01-10-2022 3:17pm

Childish digs ehh...

You went first "moan fest that's here".

...and no I don't feel hard done by compared to private sector, because there are no equivalent jobs in the "private sector".

So unlike the typical teacher basher like yourself I won't be comparing the shortage of teachers in schools to the shortage of waiters and shelf stackers.

But please... do go on. We love to be told how things are in the teaching profession, by lurkers such as yourself.

Or else maybe address the topic in hand rather than the usual drag off thread schtick.

spurious · 04-10-2022 3:50pm

Looks like something finally going in 6th October. Taxed at the high rate, which I never reach, but I will get that back.

Sprioc Lá 19th July.

LC Written Examiners, 2022

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