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Refugees sent to Martha’s Vineyard

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,425 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Democrats have called for the police to be defunded and have actively defunded police departments in many of the cities that they control. Bill de Blasio in New York defunded the NYPD by 1 billion dollars!

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,509 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Bill de Blasio is nobody anymore, last I checked. Biden is actually the leader of the party though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


     It’s just vindictive exploitation of people who are in no position to protect themselves.

    You do realise that the only ones that can afford to flee the Socialist Republic of Venezuela are generally the middle upper-class with the financial means to do so.

    Next.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,509 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Nice. Making sweeping generalizations about 50 whole persons.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    No, I didn’t realise that, probably because it’s bullshìt.

    Venezuelans are still leaving their country and there is little sign the outflows will stop soon. Those leaving are increasingly vulnerable and with very few resources. Many refugees and migrants from Venezuela are facing poverty and struggling to survive. The COVID-19 pandemic compounded an already difficult situation forcing Venezuelans deeper into poverty. Many families, forced to reduce their food intake, have taken on debts to be able to survive. They are at risk of evictions, exploitation and protection risks. 

    https://www.unhcr.org/en-ie/venezuela-emergency.html


    I am wondering though, have you any idea what’s going on at all, or is this latest stunt the extent of your knowledge of the situation, because you appear to be getting great satisfaction out of the idea that these pricks are putting it up to the Democrats. It just appears like you want to rub people’s noses in it tbh, and I’m not sure you have a clue what’s going on -

    https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/07/07/biden-is-facing-another-major-immigration-decision-the-white-house-is-still-weighing-what-to-do-00044561



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Why did you ignore my question @Overheal ? Are there too many or too few migrants in places like Martha's Vineyard?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    You sound confused. The term for what you're trying to grapple with is NeoCon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,160 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Why am I not surprised that the the usual posters think this is the best thing ever because of the woke lefty Eamon Ryan is the cause of all my problems nonsense that they always sprout. F**king exploitation of innocent asylum seekers and the people of Martha's Vinyard have looked after them fair play.

    Oh and let's not forget USA's involvement in Venezuela over the years. Totally f*cked with the place. No chance of being a place people didn't want to leave. But the usual f*cking bitter old gobsh*tes that post here are using these poor people's fate as some kind of omg the libs got ownded material.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I’m only confused by trying to work out whether or not you’re on a wind-up tbh. I prefer giving people the benefit of the doubt, which is exactly why I am confused and trying to grapple with your bullshìt. Throwing out terms like ‘NeoCon’ are only adding to that confusion as while I’m familiar with the concept, it’s not relevant to what’s causing my confusion.

    Instead I’ll keep it simple, because I don’t think there was any principled stance motivating DeSantos’ behaviour, it’s nothing more complex than simply acting the prick and using immigrants to do it, just because he has the means and is spiteful enough to do it, much like yourself - just for shìts ‘n’ giggles. I’m not convinced there was any political philosophy behind his actions, just spite.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,333 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    It's worth noting that there are two slightly different angles to this.

    One is the political. Abbott and De Santis are doing this for political attention.

    The other is the minor detail that most everyone wins. The vast majority of folks getting on these busses are happy to get a ride to somewhere where they have family and friends, and it's not just Republicans doing it. If nothing else, the facilities up North are nowhere near as stressed as those down South. The mayor of El Paso is a Democrat, he's bussed over a thousand folks to New York, at a cost of a couple million to El Paso taxpayers. However, as it's not a political stunt, he's at least telling the folks on the other end that the migrants are coming, so that they are not kept scrambling.

    On the other hand, the States down South also aren't given much notice of the migrants being released into the general population either...

    I'm driving to El Paso tomorrow. Last I checked, there was still a very large facility on Fort Bliss holding migrants. Whatever about the 'appearance', the political stunt does make the valid point of bringing the immigration crisis, which is mainly being borne by the Southern states, to back into the headlines. Abbott and De Santis are not making up the fact that thousands of people are being released into their States, not legally resident, and that it's something which needs addressing.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭sameoldname


    I wonder if the next time a hurricane rips through the south from the gulf should the Democrat held states refuse to send any aid to make a point about man made climate change? Sure, it's a political stunt but Texas emits 250% more Co2 per capita than California so surely it's something that needs addressing?

    /s



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,509 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    What did the post above this one astutely say: rubbing the nose in?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,333 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    That's a false equivalence (And besides, the large Texas city hit most frequently is heavily Democratic. Houston alone has more CO2 emission than 16 states do) for several reasons.

    Firstly, hurricanes happen with or without climate change. Maybe they are more damaging, maybe they are more frequent, but it's a known hazard of the area. The border issue, however, is a direct result of domestic policies which can be comparatively easily and rapidly changed.

    Secondly, help or no help, by your argument, Texas is getting what it is bringing on to itself. Even with help, hurricanes are a serious hit on Texas' budget, and Texan citizens. However, in the case of the immigration crisis, the states on the front line the ones dealing with amount of immigrants coming in, they are the effect of the decisions made by others.

    Thirdly, if in two circumstances, one circumstance sees the nation sharing the load, and the other does not, the correct answer is for all to share the load in both cases, not to not share the load in either. And before attempting to make that refusal, Texas might point out that the largest CO2 production industry is refineries, and that three million barrels a day shipped from Texas to New York on just one pipeline comes with a cost. The CO2 may not be being produced in the NorthEast, but it's being produced on their demand. That's about just shy of four times as much gasoline as Texas uses, incidentally. In 2020, Texas used 824,000 barrels of gasoline a day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,425 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    That was one example. It underlines how weak Biden’s leadership has been. The Democrats are only rowing back on defunding the police after the huge surge in the murders of citizens and police. Two years too late. Those are the facts.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Woke lefties have been making their migrants welcome signs for over a decade now.

    Enough of the talk, it's time they walked the walk.



  • Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭sameoldname


    No, it's an exact equiveillance in terms of intent. Both sides can claim they have a valid point depending on their political persuasion but bussing migrants up north does nothing to address the real cause of the problem in the same way as denying aid to the victims of hurricanes would do nothing to prevent extreme weather events from happening in the future. Both are examples of petty and vindictive political grandstanding designed to energise their respective political bases at the expense of innocent people. It's nothing more than that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Looks like the marthas vineyard folk are happy to take them in. It's win win for everyone.

    Time for DeSantas to start helping people by the hundred make their way to Martha's Vineyard



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Well done to DeSantis. Just shows the utter hypocrisy of the liberal elite. Happy enough for these folk to be sent to working class areas and have those communities have to deal with the fallout but not in their own backyard. More of this please.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,160 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    so you're ok with him using and lying to asylum seekers, including children, as pawns in a political stunt?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    The ones lying were the residents of Martha's Vinyard. They had the signs saying Migrants Welcome but promptly bussed them off to a military base soon after they arrived - as soon as the opportunity for the instagram photos had passed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭satguy


    It didn't take long for those nice white people on Martha's Vinyard to call in the army to remove the 50 migrants, and any other brown / black people they could find.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Categorical proof of lying to asylum seekers to get them on buses was provided pretty early on. Odd, you don't seem to have the time to respond to the post that showed up your claim that the asylum seekers are all wealthy Venezuelans



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    If the Democrat held states were proven net-Zero C02 emitters then that refusal would be fine, wouldn't you agree?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭KilOit


    I would be left-leaning but I like what he did here, yes it's terrible to use humans in a political stunt but the elite get away with too much, not on my doorstep way too often. Bus load of Ukrainians sent to Dalkey, Blackrock, Foxrock etc wouldn't be a bad idea instead of loading them up in already disadvantaged areas like Citywest



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Categorical proof - or some ramblings by a left wing rag you happened upon on Twitter?

    Surely though the welfare of these migrants are paramount and getting them out of, as the lefty liberals continuously accuses states like FL and TX as being racist, is the priority here? It seems not, the lefty liberals are just intent on using migration as a political pawn as those they accuse of.

    Now, after decades of stirring the pot, some of the lefty liberals are being made lick the spoon and they don't like the taste one bit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Brave and Stunning. So humanitarian



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    A categorical lie.

    Also, it’s not up to the people to do this, it’s up to the governor. I assume we should blame the Democrats for that too, eh?

    The state of some people here. I thought they couldn’t stoop to any lower but they want to f*ck the immigrants out unless they can be used to perform a political stunt. I would say shame on them but they have zero shame. Truly vile, vile people posting from their privilege and thinking their lives are so important that they can cheer and whoop and holler at 50 vulnerable people can be used like this.

    And when any one calls them what they are, they grab their handbags and hold it straight to their chest and pretend to be deeply offended and horrified.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Npr are well regarded and this is based on interviewing the asylum seekers. So I'd say it's far more of a conspiracy theory that you're claiming they made it up....



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  • Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭sameoldname


    Ah, the old "Until everybody else is perfect I can be as bad as I like" excuse. Haven't heard that one in a while.



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