Russia - threadbanned users in OP

How to end the war has already been answered many times......but here it is again. Russia defeated, and pushed 100 % out of Ukraine and that includes Crimea. With a weapons free 50 Klm buffer zone on the Russian side.

The Russian government regards Crimea as part of it's sovereign territory so an attack would be considered an attack on Russia itself. It would be very dangerous.

Have you been living under a rock? Crimea has already been attacked and so has territory inside the real Russian border.

They should have thought of that when they illegally annexed it.. Showed a serious lack of examination of all the pros and cons and possible outcomes down the line.

It doesnt matter about the rights or wrongs. Crimea is spilt milk that should have been dealt with at the time. Now it's a fully integrated part of the Russian federation unlike the Donbas. I could see an attack on Crimea getting very, very nasty and Russia has no qualms on using nuclear weapons in it's military doctrine if it's territory is attacked.

The west shouldn't allow ourselves to be roped in to a catastrophe if the Ukrainians try to over reach.

I think the focus should be on returning to pre Febuary borders as well as the Donbas. Attacking Crimea could set the whole region ablaze. It would be a disaster in my view.

lol no.

Hmm…reports of gunfire in the city according to liveUAmap.

Could just be shenanigans with the locally positioned Russian troops. Would be excellent news if the Ukrainians are already in the town…but my gut says no…

Another vid of Kherson

You clearly didn't get the memo. boards.ie best wishes are an effective counter measure that will take any Iranian drone out of the sky instantly 😶

Iranian drones are recorded at taking out a Patriot missile defence system. They are nothing to be looked down on or made fun of.

I would also like to remind people made a mockery of Turkish drones when they first came out. I don't think the crew of the Moskva or the Armenians are laughing too much at TB-2 right now.

Ukranian forces are still over 23km from the city earlier today apparently so seems highly unlikely they've broken that distance.

Here's an article talking about Russian military doctrine,

So, an attack on Crimea would not paralyse Russia's ability to use its nuclear deterrent and it would not jeopardise Russia's existence either as the country of Russia would continue to exist without occupying Crimea. The last line of Russia giving a worthy response to any infringement on their country is probably the closest argument to saying Russia would use nukes on Ukraine. Medvedev uses the phrase 'worthy response' instead of nuclear strike, which says to me that he does not want to claim that Russia would use a nuclear weapon the moment he feels their territory has been infringed. In Russia's history as a nuclear power, its territorial integrity has been threatened before like in the Chechen Wars, but the Russian state did not jump straight to the nuclear button, preferring to solve that conflict with conventional force.

If Ukraine were able to push into Crimea and if Russia were to bring the nuclear threat, I think it would first happen as an ultimatum. Putin would publicly declare that Ukraine has x number of days to withdraw forces from Crimea or else face appropriate retaliation the likes of which they have never seen before. From there, NATO intelligence agencies would work beyond overtime to figure out exactly what this meant, and if it was found to be credible evidence of a nuclear strike on a Ukrainian city (not just an empty threat, in other words), Ukraine would be very sternly warned to pull back.

Nuclear weapons are almost by definition a last resort, given their destructive power and political taboo. Putin must know that using one would introduce the kind of chaos that he cannot predict would work out in his favour, possibly ending his career and life altogether, so for him to use one over Crimea would mark him out as very desperate indeed.

They haven't a patch on Israeli or US drones .

The Moskva wasn't sank by drones

Crimea is a nonsense.

The whole war is a nonsense.

The world recognises Crimea as part of Ukraine. It is part of Ukraine.

The same way the world recognised the Baltic states during all the time of the USSR. Russia didn't recognise them only till the breakup of the USSR and their independence in 1991. And even now in the last few years there's Russian MPs calling that decision wrong by an unconstitutional body. That was 1991.

Crimea has been part of Ukraine since 1954.

Bug off Russia and your imperialist Putin. The gallows or firing squad hopefully awaits ye.