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Immigration Control Officer - Dublin Airport

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  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭wangchung


    Communication out there is pretty poor anyway so nobody exactly knows what's happening with new staff . People seem pretty fed up with the way they are been treated and getting stressed out and how the place is been run out there . No wonder they will take most appointments if offered. Its very sad but that's the reality.



  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭wangchung


    As posted by a threader in HEO Competition ;

    HEO is the probally the backbone of the civil service and requires high standards to deliver what is required and exactly from CO to PO comp standards should be the same, why didn't this HEO comp receive these standards ?

    Seriously??



  • Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭08122019


    Tbf….it’d be true in most departments. You having a poor HEO’s, or being the stereotypical CO that every office has who knows how thing’s should be done best doesn’t change that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭wangchung


    The officers there are only clerical officers but the EOs and HEOs and above seem to forget that and dump everything on the clerical officers ,blame and all .No wonder a high number are leaving when they are been treated appallingly



  • Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭Ahshurlookit




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    Is the HEO role ( I think someone said previously on this thread there are two) only recruited internally? do they ever take anyone on mobility for it from other civil service Departments? just looking at it in terms of mobility feedback.thanks



  • Registered Users Posts: 45 dat6


    In the CS, HEO is recruited via internal and interdepartmental only for generalists. Specialist posts can be via open competition.

    The mobility map shows 2 HEOs in Justice for the airport, but reality is it won’t be 100% accurate, some posts won’t be up to date and might be down as Burch Quay. The best answer is to ask Justice Local HR.

    I know Justice have advertised internal mobility ads for the airport in the past, can’t recall what grade though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭wangchung


    I believe there are 5 HEOs currently posted out at the airport



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 Old Baggage


    4 on shifts and 1 in the back office if memory serves me right. Only recruited from within Dept Justice, usually by way of internal expression of Interest.

    Seriously well paid HEO positions; too good a number to let outsiders in.


    Check out the ICO promotional video on Twitter for the new ICO competition. The booklet on publicjobs doesn't do the pay rates justice as they don't show the full amounts that are paid.



  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭wangchung


    Its a lucrative number for the EOs and HEOs out there. But it is not for the COs who have to carry the can so that's why they are leaving in their droves



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5 Old Baggage


    Are they leaving in droves? Hearing 8 going to Customs in next few weeks - why? (serious question)



  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭wangchung


    I understand to the best of my knowledge there are a lot more than 8 leaving not just to Customs and those who want out ;just waiting for results to leave !!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 Old Baggage


    But why are people leaving? Is it money?

    Looking at the promo video for the new campaign, it paints a different picture. Fair enough maybe the participants were hand picked, maybe it was scripted, but at the same time there are BMU officers saying "Its a great place". Looking at the money side of things, taking the Shift allowance, Sunday allowance, Public Holiday pay into account, the money is decent is it not? I knew a few folks who were out there in the early years and they all moved on through promotion - some had been in the Service for years and it took a move to the Airport before they got a promotion; for others who were new to the Service they got promotions faster than would be the norm in other places.

    Have a nephew and a niece who are looking at applying, and a civil servant myself, I want to tell them to give it a lash but just trying to give them a good steer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭wangchung


    Fair points you make. Maybe have a look at posts others have put up on this discussion previously and see what you think



  • Registered Users Posts: 6 s9393



    If you think they'd be ok with working early (5/6am) shifts and nights etc, I'd wholly recommend the job to them. Contrary to what a few of the (weirdly angry) posters above think about the place, its a great place to work the vast majority of the time.

    The job is interesting and you deal with wide varieties of different people/cases, other than the occasional monotony of dealing with loads of tourist Americans in T2. Like any job, you'll have days where you'd rather be anywhere else, but most days fly by and the 12 hour shifts don't feel as bad as they sound. The shift pattern gives you a 3 day weekend every second week while never working more than 3 days in a row, and the shift allowance along with Sunday premium and bank holiday pay is a nice chunk on top of a basic Clerical Officer wage starting off.

    You bring none of your work home with you, and when common sense is applied to your work you'll very rarely have any issue or complaints with passengers or anyone in the airport for that matter. The rate of promotions from the job is absolutely miles above what you'd see in a normal office in town (as you mentioned before) as the work is much more responsibility than what a CO would be doing in the offices, so it looks great in applications/interviews.

    As you will have seen from previous posts from people above, they just seem to have a personal issue and want to drag the entire place down with them, which is a pity, but they'd be better off walking away themselves and leaving the job to the majority of us who enjoy our work and get along well!

    In summary, I wouldn't put anyone off applying for the job ever, its a buzzing environment to work in especially in the hectic summer months but there's plenty of quiet hours/shifts in the winter that we take advantage of, and once you're able for shift work life then there's far far worse gigs out there! 😊



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭job seeker


    I don't know anything about the role. But I would definitely recommend getting anyone into the Civil Service through any role. At least they then can get their foot in the door and build up years of service. Plus the speciality roles generally have a smaller pool of people going for promotions than the general stream would. As well as this, there is always an opportunity for mobility into different departments in the future. i.e. Customs, PCO and all the general civilian roles Social welfare, pensions, HR, etc etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 Eggyolk


    I'll tell you what, this is the best constructive post so far. If you have any doubts about whether to apply or not for this position, simply read this. 👆



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 Eggyolk




  • Registered Users Posts: 5 Old Baggage


    Nephew is writing form as we speak. Was doing part time in a late bar for a while and has a factory job for the Summer so late nights or early starts won't faze him. As some said, shifts are not for everyone but the airpory is only half an hour journey for him and.at 20/21 the money is.decent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 Ellenh34


    Could someone give me an indicative figure of the final salary at entry level? Want to compare it to my existing CO pay. Thanks



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,432 ✭✭✭Aisling(",)


    €31,673 on the starting co wage currently.

    €32,298 after the €500 increase in October.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6 s9393


    €31,673 on the first point of CO scale when shift allowance is factored in

    +26 Sundays working out at roughly €5135 on starting scale

    +bank holiday pay of 28% of your weekly per bank holiday worked / or 20% for a bank holiday you are not rostered to work

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5 Old Baggage


    Or put into one number, approx €38500 to €39000 on Oct 1st on first point of scale. About €63000 at top of scale.


    Plus overtime?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭italodisco


    I'm an AP in the service, and having read some of the illiterate ranting from 1 poster in particular, and seeing some of the others complaining, it paints a very clear picture.

    I don't work there but can see as clear as day that a handful of staff have ruined the place.

    I was considering going for the AP role out there, if anything this has motivated me to do so even more now. Looks like there's some useless dead weight that needs to be moved off and made some other unfortunate Departments problem.

    I'll gladly take that challenge



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Good

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  • Registered Users Posts: 20 Diefenbaker


    You must be a pretty lousy AP so, I mean rather then attempt to listen to staff or make positive changes your main objective is to remove people and send them to a different Department.

    Your also making the assumption that a handful of staff have ruined the place soley based off an outdated internet forum. One that way way to many people pay attention to.

    If thats your main objective for the job I surely hope you don't get it. The last thing anywhere needs, especially civil service is more narrow minded people like yourself who shouldn't hold the position they currently allege to have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭italodisco


    My daughter has been there since 2019, I've a fairly good idea based on that alone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20 Diefenbaker


    I see...well clearly you know the ins and outs of it all now. Thank God you'll have such a great understanding of all the dead wood from both sides of shifts of staff from an internet forum and your daughther, if the unfortunate day ever comes that your assinged there.

    Good look at your AP duties for the day, good to see the right people in senior Managerial roles.

    If the Ministers office still monitors this trend please don't laugh to much, people actually take whats said here seriously out there.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3 jenmark


    I completed questionnaire 2 weeks ago. Does anyone know when we will be informed if we passed to interview stage ? Will they also let us know how we got on in the questionnaire and where we were places?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 jenmark


    I am really excited about potential prospect of working as an ICO. I have worked in private sector for years now and pay is very poor unless you are very specialised. For teh majority of us we are all paid under 40k. I would love the chance to work here. It sounds so interesting and I love the idea that you just work your hours unlike private sector where you are always on and never get overtime unless you are a factory shift worker.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20 Diefenbaker


    You do know a CO wage is 25,339 starting off? I mean the 25% makes a huge difference, then sunday pay makes another huge plus. But your not gonna be pulling in 40k plus for a good few years. Just keep that in mine if thats your soul purpose for the job. But in the end the benifits out weigh the cons. Overtime on shift work however is not a plus because you need them gaps.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 Heyzeed


    Did anyone have idea of how many pple needed to be employ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭cw67irl


    They will create a panel that will probably last 2 years from the formation date. They will then take batches of new recruits in as and when they need them due to staff departures. Impossible to really tell how many will be taken off the panel!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭turbodiesel


    My result came by message on public jobs this morning. Calling the first 281 for interview.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3 jenmark


    I have my interview on the 15th. Did you get called?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 KarenCarberry


    I have my interview on Monday 19th, I wonder how long it will be to see if your successful



  • Registered Users Posts: 1 pronobkd


    I have my interview on the 23rd, any ICO here to suggest what types of questions there will be!



  • Registered Users Posts: 45 dat6




  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭Fluffypatcat


    Does anyone know how long it takes from interview to actually being in the job? (Roughly)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13 KarenCarberry


    looking back on the last campaign it looks like it could take about 14 weeks to get clearance so any time after that



  • Registered Users Posts: 10 katiexo


    I have interview upcoming, how long between interview and finding out if successful does anyone know



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 KarenCarberry



    They told me they will be letting people know at the start of October



  • Registered Users Posts: 10 katiexo


    Thankyou. How did people find the interview,don't feel they gave anything away.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 KarenCarberry


    I felt the same to be honest, but I always feel like that after interviews. Hopefully we did ok but they told me we would know the start of October so not long to wait



  • Registered Users Posts: 10 katiexo


    Fingers crossed, I wonder do we get feedback either way



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 KarenCarberry


    @katiexo im sure we will get feedback, best of luck☺️



  • Registered Users Posts: 10 katiexo


    @KarenCarberry thanks you too



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They have been holding interviews the last 2 weeks.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Do you have time to actually do any work as an AP as you seem to spend a lot of time on this forum, over 1,400 posts...jeez



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