Teenagers with no value for life and no care for repercussions - **Read OP**

Prison should absolutely be a deterrent. That’s why we have sentencing and incarceration.

our problem here is simple: prison is NOT a proper deterrent for certain types of nasty people. And no amount rehab works on these types scum. So, what do we do? Oh yes, we release and incarcerate and release as nauseum.

All the while these scum are hurting people, and in some cases, really badly.

a clear message needs to be sent to nasty:bad people. You do something really bad and the 1st sentence will be very severe. In other words, you’re not going to get the chance to be recidivist; and we’re going to ensure you cannot harm people.

ok, this probably sounds too good to be true, and I’m well aware the challenges society face, among those challenges being people fighting tooth and nail, not for protecting people, but for defending g and trying to keep scum on the streets.

there is no magic bullet, but I have read more than enough to make an educated view that at present, our justice system’s dealing with some bad people, is disgusting.

This is a very balanced post. I agree with a lot of it, and even bits I might not agree with, I accept the logic in your points in presenting. It really nails the whole “there is no one-fits all” fix.

kind of related topic, but have you ever wondered why or is it just me, the teenagers out protesting BLM and cllimate change just seem to be in another universe to the teenagers in the video in cherryorchard, you get the feeling they are not even inhabitaing the same planet let alone same city, could be only 3 or 4 miles between knocklyon and cherry orchard or Blanch and Castleknock, how can kids be so different. how do they ever get along in school? maybe its just me but surely the teenagers of cheery orchard video wouldnt be on BLM or climate protests, why is this?

Norway like us are also a soft touch They get better results as they spend a lot more money on rehabilitation. I think theirs better ways to spend taxpayers money and I'm not comfortable with a rapist or a murderer been treated nicely in prison.

More solid citizens these lads, Im sure they're one community centre away from being of use to society 🙄

Sickening. Some hard working tax payer after losing his van and tools put out of action for a while during these hard times. Probably a family to look after aswell.

Scrotes, **** despise them. No fear at all.

No I'm not, the issue we are discussing is more complex. I can think of at least 20 things we should increase spending on that would be more important than rehabilitation for criminals.

And still you aren’t capable of comprehending what I wrote.

Our most serious crime is pretty much murder. It carries a mandatory life sentence. Now, Mr. Solicitor, can you answer my question: are their convicted murderers who were sentenced to life, no longer now incarcerated?

The average sentence for a lifer is circa 19-20 years now. It was less in previous years, and considerably so.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/life-sentence-prisoners-served-22-years-average-in-prison-1.2956681

”Dr Diarmuid Griffin from the NUI Galway School of Law has conducted research into life sentences in Ireland.He said the average time served for life sentence prisoners released between 1975 and 1984 was 7.5 years; from 1985 to 1994 it was 12 years, increasing to 14 years from 1995 to 2004 and 18 years from 2005 to 2014.”

Can you name these persons who will “never see the light of day?” I can only think of one who still sees no light. Geoffrey Evans. There may be more into the future, but currently at around 45 years, Evans leads the way.

You jumped in and cocked up. And I have no idea why your being a solicitor changes this.

The lesson one should draw from prisoners returning to prison is not that it was a mistake to send them there, it's that it was a mistake to ever let them out.

The impact that scumm are having on broader Irish society is massive and the politicans generally are ignoring it.

One example , our local shop keepers busiest hours are from 9AM to 11AM he tells me as the law abiding people in our parish do their shopping before all the Scumm get up circa midday and start hanging round the place intimidating everyone and dealing their drugs. law abiding people are in their house from 11AM till the following day they are so fearful of the scumm, sad times.

Lack of facilities my @rse.

Look at Dublin 15. The national sports complex and NAC, several gyms, another pool in coolmine, cinema, leisure plex, skatepark, parks, football pitches. Stacks of stuff - has it made any difference to the scrotes up there?

Then there is the lack of resources in the Garda - if that is actually the root cause.

I had my gaff broken into in Hartstown before, they nicked my phone amongst other stuff. The eejits took some selfies of themselves that day which got backed up to my Google account…..so i basically had photos of two of the guys who broke in. I printed them out and brought them down to Blanchardstown Garda station and handed them in saying - these are the lads who broke into my house.

Unbeknownst to me the spare key of the car was stolen. A month later I looked out one morning and the car was gone. The Garda did actually call around after that one. I showed them the photos and they said “ah we know we these lads, they live up behind the NAC, we’ll go up and see if the car is up there”. I mentioned the photos I had handed in, and followed up in the station. No one had done a scratch with them. My car was found later rallied and bust up to fook in a field. Got a fraction of what it was worth to me back from insurance so the whole lot between both robberies.

Im sure it is lack of resources but what chance have we got if even photos of the perps aren’t enough…..even some of those videos - those lads give so little of a 5hite and know that fook all will get done, that they will even video their own faces.