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People before Profit budget proposals

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm sure increasing corporation tax to 20% when companies are looking at reducing costs will be widely welcomed by industry. I suppose they could look at increasing income tax on the 300 euro dole payment when we are all unemployed to help fund all the other proposals. We spend a lot currently on health and welfare for the state of both systems are in, these areas need to be scrutinized by any future government and deliver more efficiently before throwing more money at the issue. A lot of our current issues are cause by a reactionary government instead of having a proactive one, hopefully the next election delivers one but our options appear to be limited to the existing crowd or parties that offer everything but have scary policies on generating the extra income.



  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Their proposals are tired, have all been tried and failed. Leave us €100k+ earners out of your domestic worries by the way, we don't owe you a living.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,059 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    25 Billion in new taxes... lol

    Lunatics.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Charleigh Petite Blackboard


    €350 for people with disabilities...absolutely fantastic.

    We learned during COVID that 350 (at the time) was the living wage. No problem spending my taxes on that.



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  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Charleigh Petite Blackboard


    Will you ever piss off, I earn over €100k and am happy to chip in.

    Where do you think you get your wage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,489 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    The problem with this crowd is that they have zero intention of compromising their ideology by going into coalition with anyone. This therefore is a fantasy document.

    I honestly thought they were a harmless bunch in the past. Sure, they had no interest in doing anything constructive but what the hell - it's all part of a healthy democracy right? I completely changed my tune this year though.

    Their whole stance on the Russian invasion of Ukraine actually disgusted me. They're basically unable to escape the world view that anybody who opposes the USA can't be all that bad. This results in them giving speeches where they dispassionately pay lip service to condemning Russian atrocities before whole-heartedly rounding on the USA, NATO and the EU with gusto. Clare Daly and Mick Wallace get a lot of the attention for ending up trending on Russian social media with their rants but Richard Boyd Barrett isn't too far behind them.

    I hope they all lose their seats in the next election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭coolbeans




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    Clueless.

    It basically looks to rape every business in the country and hand it over to people who are to be paid 100 quid a week more to do nothing.

    They reckon our entire public transport system can now run itself on vapor.

    In fairness I could get my head around a nationalised energy system, if delivered properly it could work to everyone's benefit. The thing is that it wouldn't though and we all know it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,787 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    "The measures would be paid for by an increase in corporation tax to 20pc, four new tax bands for those earning €100,000 a year or more, a tax on commercial aviation, an increase in employers’ PRSI, and an increase capital gains tax, among other measures."


    Would that really raise 25bn??



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    This would include increasing all social welfare rates to a minimum of €300 per week and €350 for those with disabilities. 

    with that, its a no go for me.

    increase minimum wage, decrease SW for people who can actually work.

    lets all be lazy, sher someone will pay for it



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,215 ✭✭✭Good loser


    The biggest energy supplier in the State - the ESB - has always been a fully Nationalised company and they complain bigtime about that. Doesn't seem much of an exempler then for the other companies in the sector.

    Must be, as Joe Duffy said (fatuously) when all his dreams came true and all the banks were nationalised, we want a POSITIVE nationalisation not a NEGATIVE nationalisation!!!

    Those guys will never be happy until they control EVERYTHING.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It all seems so easy.

    Putin taught the same thing. There might be a bigger rush even.


    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,059 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Are you happy to give over 50/60/70% of your wage?

    High earners already pay huge income taxes, its not as if they are not taxed enough already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,582 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    Tell us you're financially illiterate without telling us you're financially illiterate.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    That’s really one long ad hominem attack. Why not counter their actual proposals with something else?


    Some are good, but most are inflationary and not what’s needed right now

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,787 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Most taxpayers would have no problem paying 350 pw to people who are genuinely disabled.

    However, this being Ireland, there are loads of people on DA who are not disabled.

    I can think of three of them that I know.

    (1) A relation - married woman, aged 60 approx, children all grown up and gone, had cancer in the past, decades ago, gets DA

    (2) A friend - lovely fella, aged 60 approx, was on JSA long-term, told me he was delighted to get transferred to DA, as the labour activation measures would stop. He runs a public website, he cycles around the place, goes to the pub a lot, he's the type to reject 9-to-5 work. He rruns small nixers.

    (3) A friend - this lad has mental health issues, fair enough, so maybe under some definition you could argue he is disabled. I agree that he is poorly employable. He can't meet deadlines.


    I strongly reject charging me 52% marginal tax rate, or even more, to transfer funds out of my family, to people like these.

    If you told me that each DA recipient was to be strictly vetted, and that the genuinely disabled would get paid more, I agree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Communists making budget proposals, what a country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Taxing the working class to pay the unemployed isn't communism.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    PBP's efforts would destroy our efforts to decarbonise the economy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,702 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Its criminal that we only give the diasbled 208 euro a week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,186 ✭✭✭893bet


    it’s not just 208. It’s all the other perks also, free travel, medical card, housing assistance etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,702 ✭✭✭Gusser09




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,186 ✭✭✭893bet


    Call them what every you want.


    Don’t let that distract from the fact that they are also available and paid. It’s not just 208.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,186 ✭✭✭893bet


    It’s hilarious that our corporation tax take is so high. And is keeping us afloat.


    And the party behind this budget immediately moves to eat the goose laying the golden egg.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yet, you're happy enough to have others, many paid less than you, pay 52% tax rate for your latest pay rise with nothing in return. Which you still feel is not enough.


    On top of the other reliefs you'll benefit from as part of the cost of living Budget to be delivered.



  • Registered Users Posts: 638 ✭✭✭gary550


    What's stopping you chipping in now? You do realise you can volunteer to pay more tax. Just hand it on over.

    Take one for the team mate, lead by example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,388 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Yeah it would. Once.

    And the following year about 8 billion.

    And the third year the economy would be circling the u-bend.

    Absolute joke of a bunch. SF likewise, they want a package costed at just under 10 billion. Borrowed and stolen.

    They should all get to f***.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    What communists? Are you playing the “everyone I disagree with is a communist” card?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    I'm playing that " A communist party like the SWP or whatever they're calling themsevles now are communists" card

    It's a good card to play



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,663 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Decrease SW

    Weed out those who don't deserve DA

    Increase minimum wage

    Nationalise all childcare and let state pay salaries for staff but no charges for parents.

    Expand childcare provision hugely.

    Stop paying Child's allowance as a cash payment. Should be credit system only spent on clothing, food, sundries. And only can be spent within the state.

    Bigger grants for solar panels and batteries in private houses, farms to get huge solar panel scheme for buildings to feed the grid.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    do you think this is clever? I don’t.


    PBP are populist left party. They’re as communist as SF, which is not at all.


    If you disagree with their policies, why not dissect them 1 by 1. I probably wouldn’t disagree with you most of the time. Why waste your time on lazy name calling?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    The Socialist Workers Party or Socialist Workers Community or whatever they're calling themselves this week are Communists. PBP is just a front group for them.

    Everyone knows this but some people help them try to keep up the pretence.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?



    They aren’t. That’s a genuinely stupid thing to say. I’m quite happy to support this statement. But first, I’d like you to support your post with some evidence that they’re communists. Can you do that?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,715 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Shower a absolute chancers. In a nutshell, they’re anti anyone doing well for themselves. They also know they’ll actually never have to lead, govern, make decisions and be responsible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭bazza1


    Animal Farm.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr



    Wikipedia classifies both them and their front organisation as Trotskyism. If you want to argue that Trotsky wasn't a communist go right ahead.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Before_Profit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Effectively double the current corporation tax rate is their idea. The reason this island is so wealthy is because of that corporation tax that is the envy of every other state in Europe, we would operate a deficit every year without it. They'll get plenty of votes for 350 p/w welfare then as half the country will be unemployed and on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,882 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Their immigration proposals determine that I won’t be giving them a vote or taking any other proposals of theirs in any way seriously..

    “Europe should open its borders. With 500 million people, Europe can easily cope with two million refugees. Europe should open its borders and Ireland has a duty to welcome its share of refugees from war, oppression, persecution and other inhuman conditions. Western imperialism bears a heavy responsibility for the creation of these conditions.”

    right, western imperialists.. the EU 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,388 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No you're quite right, Sinn Féin are Marxist, whereas traditional Soviet era Communism was Leninism.

    And so are SPBP or CBBC, or whatever they're calling themselves this week.

    And as the great Ferris Bueller would say, "-Ism's in my opinion, are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,715 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yep.

    Amazing how in 2022 folks still banging on about imperialism, and using it to explain “some stuff,” which, btw has the world globally advanced and connected and prosperous.

    It’s a natural human condition, and if the Irish had the means and power, we too would have been imperialists..



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?



    Why have a debate when you can lazily generalise eh?


    There is a huge amount to disagree with from PBP. They actually publish polices and a mock budget. Go after that. Let’s debate it.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    It actually doesn’t matter a damn what “ism” they are to me. They are either right or wrong. Let’s debate their policies instead of ad hominem attacks and name calling.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    The problem with electricity and Gas is that its not possible to have competition in either sector, nationalising is an excellent idea because the consumer is being rode sideways by companies price gouging at the moment.

    Telecoms is different because people actually have options of who provides then with the infrastructure but nobody has an option for electricity or gas.

    The other problem is that any proposal this mental shower comes up with looks daft even if like this one it has merit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Have you now accepted that they are communists?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    How much income tax do you chip in annually? How much extra would be "fair"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    A populist party chasing votes of the Lumpenproletariat. Trotsky would be disgusted with them.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    No, absolutely not.


    Do you think this is clever? Avoiding a debate of substance by lazy name calling?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Is this a Waterford Whispers News story. Sounds like it.

    The dumbest budget proposal I've ever read.

    Anything with Richard Boyd Barrett involved is bound to be car crash material.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    So wikipedia have got it wrong, PBP and their parent body are not Internationalist Trotskyites?

    It's not name calling to describe this group as communists when they actually are communists



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