Refugees sent to Martha’s Vineyard

Overheal · 22-09-2022 4:23pm

Even Jared Kushner is taking this opportunity to call it out

(Even if he is just trying to distance himself from his $2Bn Saudi affair)

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1572960861064679424?s=20&t=99q-_f2mQJhgxgSraq2L5A

notobtuse · 22-09-2022 5:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119644821#Comment_119644821

But it's okay when Joe Biden flies them unannounced to our conservative areas and expects us to take care of them?

Overheal · 22-09-2022 5:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119651684#Comment_119651684

Sorry, where is the parallel?

What the Office of Refugee Resettlement does (as created by Congress no less with broad bipartisan support), and what the Governors did here, are not paralleled.

Even Strom Thurmond voted for it. Let that sink in.

These people just showed up, knocking on doors of unaware residents of MV. Where is that happening in 'our conservative areas,' as 'flown by Joe Biden?'

notobtuse · 22-09-2022 6:17pm

The parallel? Because I deal with it every day from the Biden administration's secret unannounced middle of the night flights into the two airports close to me and dumping off migrants expecting us to care and provide for them.

https://nypost.com/2022/01/04/flights-carrying-illegal-immigrants-land-in-pa-reports/

Overheal · 22-09-2022 6:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119651834#Comment_119651834

How do You deal with it, Every Day, exactly?

According to your report,

He added that the children were sent to their parents, or approved sponsors, after landing in Scranton.

Are you the parent or approved sponsor?

Were the Martha's Vineyard migrants sent to their parents or an approved sponsor?

xxxxxxl · 22-09-2022 6:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119651861#Comment_119651861

Were they not all or if not nearly all adults.

Overheal · 22-09-2022 6:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119651866#Comment_119651866

So is that "no, they were not sent to their parents or an approved cosponsor?"

If so: I see no parallel by whatabouting the ORR's routine legal operations and what DeSantis stunted.

xxxxxxl · 22-09-2022 6:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119651873#Comment_119651873

So knowing they were adults still used children as a emotional extraction. No ofc they were not sent to their Parents.

Overheal · 22-09-2022 6:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119651891#Comment_119651891

So it's not a parallel then. Glad we got to the bottom of that.

notobtuse · 22-09-2022 7:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119651861#Comment_119651861

Actually that is a very good question. Let's talk about the minors. Without increased federal aid, or increased tax revenues, to handle the influx... the localities need to expand schools, add materials in non English format, hire teachers that can teach the minors who do not speak English more buses, etc, etc. Plus, counties need to add additional social services and free medical services. All that is put on the local taxpayers, you know.

Overheal · 22-09-2022 7:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652006#Comment_119652006

TLDR, these are not adversities experienced by you, "every day." You are not a parent nor a sponsor?

Pennsylvania gets $1.15 for every $1 it is taxed federally. https://www.moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/

Biden's budget recently gave a 103.1% Boost to local education agency grants in Pennsylvania, and a 35% increase in Pell grants. https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/statetables/index.html

In no way have you established this as a parallel to the Martha's Vineyard stunt. The scenarios are not similar.

xxxxxxl · 22-09-2022 7:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652031#Comment_119652031

Of the approximately $20 billion total value of property in the six Vineyard towns, roughly $1.9 billion, about 10 percent, is tax exempt, so that tax revenue lost to the six towns, based on the tax rates reported here, adds up to about $7 million.

Don't seem to poor tbh.

Overheal · 22-09-2022 7:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652042#Comment_119652042

I'm lost as to what point you're going for here. Rich people exist in America? Republicans love giving the wealthy loopholes, you're mad when you see people with the loopholes? Gee.

xxxxxxl · 22-09-2022 7:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652044#Comment_119652044

That 15k people have accumulated 20bn there not poor no need for fed aid.

notobtuse · 22-09-2022 7:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652031#Comment_119652031

The only real parallel would be if we rounded them all up and shipped them off to some other place in order to let other people deal and pay for them, like Martha's Vineyard did.

I'll educate you... Much of our public school expenses here are paid by taxpayers though local School taxes based on the value of your homes and properties. We also pay county taxes based on your income in order to pay for the services that the minors will need.

We taxpayers pay hundreds of thousands of dollars locally to pay for these minors and all Martha's Vineyard did was feed them a couple sandwiches and some cereal and charter them a plane to get them out of there as soon as they could. So there I can agree with you... there's no parallel in what we go through versus what the virtual signaling sanctuary zone of Martha's Vineyard did.

Overheal · 22-09-2022 7:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652051#Comment_119652051

In Pennsylvania 17 persons have accumulated $54.9 Bn. https://www.pennlive.com/news/2022/04/meet-pennsylvanias-billionaires-the-17-richest-people-in-the-keystone-state-and-how-they-made-their-money.html

They don't need federal aid either I guess? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

xxxxxxl · 22-09-2022 7:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652080#Comment_119652080

Sure if they put them in the area where they live.

Overheal · 22-09-2022 7:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652079#Comment_119652079

You can't help but continue lying. Martha's Vineyard didn't ship them off anywhere. They didn't charter any plane. The Republican Governor of Massachusetts activated about 125 National Guardsman to transport them at their will to Joint Base Cape Cod.

I pay my property taxes too and I don't have any personal "Every Day" adversities about what happens in my local schools: if kids are learning more than one language (someone PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN) that's not increasing my tax burden. If they're learning creationism in the school down here, it's not changing my tax burden either. I am not personally affected either way by if a refugee is in my local school system. You could tell me there are none, or hundreds, and I'd believe you, because of how little it actually affects me. But for you it has to sound like an "every day" suffering and pain you endure for the sake of argument?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jFqhjaGh30

Pennsylvanian students already are some of the best funded kids in the country at $15,000/head, per annum.

Overheal · 22-09-2022 7:44pm

@notobtuse are you implying that you want the border states to shoulder more burden than Pennsylvania?

Overheal · 22-09-2022 7:57pm

18 U.S. Code § 1201 - Kidnapping

https://twitter.com/glennkirschner2/status/1572770277393854467?s=20&t=_wu7RfealCN_hSdUbvqKHg

That's a new word on me, but incredibly apt here.

xxxxxxl · 22-09-2022 7:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652132#Comment_119652132

I have no ideas why we are even having this conversation. Rich people p*ss down the necks of the poor. The world over Poor refugees are put in with poor people in countries. That's not debatable. I take great enjoyment when Rich white folks who talk a big game end up with said people. Some seem to think its a right vs left issue it's really not. It's rich right and left people. One side wants cheap labour other want to put them into the rights side and call racist when they complain. Ask any person who is poor what will the Refugees do it won't be skin colour it will be drive my wages down and then I cannot feed my family. If your poor and on the breadline all you care about is if the guy next to you will work for less.

notobtuse · 22-09-2022 8:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652116#Comment_119652116

And in Pennsylvania it cost about $20,000 per year per student. The average annual family income in my parts is $57,000 and we're now having to spend a additional $8,000 to $10,000 per year because of Bidenflation. We just built a new elementary school a half mile down the road from me because of the increases in student population even though our birth rates have continually dropped, and my school taxes will be increased significantly because of it. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure it out. Too many people here are now living off their credit cards, but I have taken on a part time job to keep my head above water and stay out of additional debt. So yes, the Biden administration dumping illegal immigrants into my area without warning or assistance has a great affect on us.

Overheal · 22-09-2022 8:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652170#Comment_119652170

Because notobtuse brought up the ORR flights around the country to parents and sponsors of refugees as a point of contention:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119651834#Comment_119651834

I have no ideas why we are even having this conversation. Rich people p*ss down the necks of the poor. The world over Poor refugees are put in with poor people in countries. That's not debatable.

Have a lash of a Capitalism vs. Socialism thread maybe where it would be debatable? America is a Capitalist country. If DeSantis was worried about sending it to the wealthy, why not Mar a Lago? They even have rooms!

But nobody just drops them off at the Arrivals counter and tells people nearby to deal with that. They are sent to Parents or Sponsors who have already been approved. As Congress prescribed! Nobody ever expected that of you. Still haven't.

xxxxxxl · 22-09-2022 8:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652185#Comment_119652185

Would they be safe in Mar ? maybe they would have got jobs dunno.

notobtuse · 22-09-2022 8:04pm

Overheal, I'm saying sanctuary cities, zones and states should walk the walk and not just talk the talk. It is not fair to force border states and small communities like mine to shoulder the lion's share of financial responsibility for illegal immigration due to a border crisis caused by the Biden administration.

Overheal · 22-09-2022 8:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652182#Comment_119652182

Sources or it didn't happen.

"About $20k" actual cost: $15,023. https://teaching-certification.com/teaching/education-spending-by-state/

Off by about 33%, NBD right

Median Household income: $63,627 Source: census https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/PA/INC110220

Your source? "round these here parts..." lol kay

You're repeating the exact same gross numbers as recent bunk tweets from GOP talking points. I won't even get into it, but Biden doesn't control the weather or global inflation and macro economics.

PA has the same CC debts as most other states: https://www.cnbc.com/select/average-credit-card-balance-by-state/

Massachusetts, where they were dropped off, has a lower birth rate than Pennsylvania does? I don't see the relevance however. I don't see the many steps in between Refugee arrives with sponsor, ????, and you somehow needing a 2nd job? Because, the migrant took your job, so you need a 2nd job, because you still have your first job? I have no idea where your dotted line goes or how many trips it makes back and forth through the misty mountains.

Overheal · 22-09-2022 8:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652190#Comment_119652190

They probably would have. Mar a Lago uses a lot of migrant workers already.

Danno · 22-09-2022 11:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652234#Comment_119652234

Because, the migrant took your job, so you need a 2nd job, because you still have your first job?

Gaslighting 101.

You know only too well that migrants, especially illegal ones will work for and accept lower pay. Employers will offer wages at the lowest possible rate and if you've plenty of migrants willing to work for lower pay rates, it makes it very difficult for local employees to seek pay rises that go beyond inflation.

With wages mostly stagnant and prices rising what you are seeing is an ever expanding working poor who have to work longer hours or take on extra employment to pay for higher rents and consumer products because there is a higher demand for these coming from an increasing population.

It's not much different here in Ireland, in fact it's probably worse in some situations like health - because if you're in low paid employment you are totally dependent on a public health system which is under severe strain from increased population.

You then have the green movement pi$$ing down our backs about increased C02 but will happily bang the "migrants welcome" drum too. Never crosses their minds that more people in the country = more consumption = more C02. They will then castigate the working poor with carbon taxes - i.e. keeping the boot firmly on their head.

y0ssar1an22 · 22-09-2022 11:17pm

is there a big deal here? florida didnt want them, martha's vineyard didnt want them.

they should all just admit they don't want immigrants (you can exchange florida and MV to NY and texas if you want, or wherever else)

Faugheen · 23-09-2022 9:07am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119653066#Comment_119653066

That’s not what has happened here.

DeSantis used these migrants as a pawn for a political stunt. He lied to these migrants and promised them all these great things and the American dream and then shipped them off to a place which had no notice they were coming, so instead of the American dream they were sold, these migrants didn’t even have any drinking water when they arrived.

The residents of MV did all they could. Supplied them with food, clothing etc on no notice. Then the Republican Governor brought them somewhere so they could have somewhere to sleep.

It was a cruel, disgusting move by DeSantis, which is roundly supported by equally cruel and disgusting people on here.

Refugees sent to Martha’s Vineyard

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