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Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,205 ✭✭✭crisco10


    If I'm departing with Aer Lingus in the 7am wave on Wednesday, what odds I'll get to use the new runway?



  • Registered Users Posts: 355 ✭✭moonshy2022




  • Registered Users Posts: 19,506 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Hi pressure, wind from the East……zero chance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,988 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Great pic. EI-ALA, B720-048 "St Patrick/Padraig"

    No labour shortage in those days, six lads to do the refuelling - not counting the chap with the fire extinguisher that looks like it was borrowed from someone's office

    Post edited by Hotblack Desiato on

    The Roman Catholic Church is beyond despicable, it laughs at us as we pay for its crimes. It cares not a jot for the lives it has ruined.



  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭SmithsFan


    Are they actually using the new runway at all??

    I live on the main flight path, wind direction determines if they either land or take-off over my house, but I've yet to notice any difference in airplane frequency or noise.


    Yes, it's entirely my fault for buying a house where I did but I had hoped the new runway would effectively shift all flights about 1.5km to the north of where they fly currently.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,506 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    A perusal through this thread would tell you the answer to that.

    I try to find the relevant post(s)



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,506 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,158 ✭✭✭rameire


    have a goo at flight radar in the next two minutes and you will see a BA, Aerlingus and Ryanair take off for the first flights of the morning from the new runway.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Split 2.28S, 1.52E. 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • Registered Users Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Bussywussy


    What's the story with DAA ops escorting American Carriers around a corner, it's some shakedown/scam, you swear they don't operate in and out of more complex places, are they charging airlines for it?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,173 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    This doesn’t surprise me…. Not based on some of the stories I’ve heard from ATC…



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  • Registered Users Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Bussywussy


    😅 Some of the ATC in DUB are an absolute nightmare on Ramp/Ground control.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,978 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    Follow-me vehicles are common at airports around the world and in Dublin are used in a variety of circumstances, including where taxiway tolerances are tight. What's so surprising about non-local carriers getting such a service? Individual pilots may not be frequent visitors and indeed might never have been here before.



  • Registered Users Posts: 876 ✭✭✭HTCOne


    The taxiway & ramp layout in DUB is generally regarded as one of the worst in major European airports.



  • Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭Phen2206


    Indeed it really is embarrassing. Cul-de-sacs everywhere and a shortage of stands at peak times combined with a poor taxiway layout means the apron in DUB is surely the worst, not just one of the worst. In fairness to ATC it is a very challenging airport for them to control so I can understand it may seem that ATC is not the best but if they were given a half decent airport in the first place I'm sure they'd be just as good as anywhere else.

    I'm sure its been discussed multiple times here before but T2 should never have been shoe-horned into the corner its in. It should have been built west of the tower where unimpeded access could have been assured. The 2 parallel taxiways at the end of the pier are too narrow for 2 wide bodies or a wide body + narrow body to pass each other so you have a total bottleneck there with TA arrivals and departures coming in and out meaning narrow bodies have to wait; along with the departures queuing for 28L which makes it a total mess. Add to this some over-cautious ATC rules about aircraft passing behind another which is waiting for departure at 28L and you have surely the worst pinch point at any airport in Europe. There is a plan for these taxiways (Z and B) to be widened to allow 2 wide bodies to pass each other but with the terminal barely 10 years old, how on earth this problem wasn't foreseen (or if it was, why this situation was allowed to be) and addressed during construction is beyond me. Now they have to go digging up that whole area surely at much inflated cost now versus that of having done it 10 years ago. Hopefully next summer when 28R is open all day for departures it will help reduce the queuing down there and relieve the problem a bit but its just poor planning which has knock-on effects such as delays to arrivals and departures as well as the environmental impact of planes sitting going nowhere burning fuel which just doesn't happen at other well-designed airports.



  • Registered Users Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Bussywussy


    The fact that it was home based carriers that bumped wingtips on the taxiways is what's surprising, there was/is also a follow me service the top by apron 6 along where there's works but there's plenty of room, yes the layout especially cul de sacs are an absolute joke



  • Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭Astral Nav


    I understand it relates to N ref 757(s) taking taxiway Z in error some time ago, it is not rated for those aircraft. IAA/DAA respond by introducing another mitigation/procedure and DUB just gets even more complex.

    Fly into several German airports any you will often be told to swap from taxi way line to another tactically where there are multiple ones. A world away from DUB.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,506 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Bound to happen when you start adding ‘ bit’s and pieces’ to the Terminal infrastructure to alleviate a particular problem, without a total approach.

    The Terminal development has now gotten ahead of the parking and taxiway systems and it will take some time to even the whole lot out.

    It will also take time and money.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,524 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Wow you know your stuff, makes complete sense 💯



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,761 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    I am pretty sure I landed on it coming back from Turkey 2 weeks ago on Sat 10th Sep, it's a strange approach, bringing you in over Leas Cross, Rolestown and the like, nothing really recognisable from the windows, just small towns and villages and lots of green fields.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,761 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Actually we didn't just flew a strange approach.





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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,978 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    A very standard approach to runway 10R. It is over open countryside for most of the way, without many recognisable landmarks. Here is your flight landing, by the way. https://www.airhistory.net/photo/495268/TC-SPI



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,506 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Balbriggan should be where you crossed the coast on that approach.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,761 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    He fairly slammed it down, hardest landing I have had in a long time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29 kelso00


    I wonder if there is any plan to get back to normal drop off areas? Currently, "alternative arrangements" serve no purpose if ever did.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,506 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Is it true that RNP approaches not cleared on 10L till Sep30?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,843 ✭✭✭sparrowcar


    They served a huge purpose. It allowed the departure road to close to allow for safe passenger queuing in overflow situations. It is still there as a contingency and safety measure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Cloudio9


    There hasn’t been an overflow in months and not going to be over autumn and winter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,128 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    There was last week when Aer Lingus had their IT failure.

    But I agree in principle, the road network at the Terminals should be returned now to the purposes for which they were intended.

    And any notion of DAA daring to charge for private car drop offs also needs to be slapped down for good.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,843 ✭✭✭sparrowcar


    Again incorrect. Overflow was happening up to a few weeks ago and not months. But agree its getting close to the time to return the road network back to normal.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,161 ✭✭✭cubix


    Would anyone know why planes are passing so low (4-5K )over Ashbourne when using the new runway and taking such a strange route , they seem to take a very tight turn right shortly after lift off and follow the N2. Where as when using the old runway they would normally take off over kilshane cross/ kilbride/ dunboyne or ratoath then Ashbourne which by then normally they are up around 8-10K.



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