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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    Yes the Veto right as a P5 member is the crucial issue, however if Russia is held to be the Successor State as opposed to the Continuing State of the USSR then it will automatically be a non UN member state, unless of course the UN are willing to accept Russia as a de facto non P5 member.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Yes very few Russians know of their successful military victory in Poland in 1939.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    That's been a thing with Russian spin ever since this invasion kicked off DD. That and stuff like Ukraine are sending hordes of prostitutes into the west. Zelensky being a cokehead, that he wanted an end a while back until Boris Johnson made a visit and instructed him to keep fighting or else. Yep.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    You post some absulte trash here.

    You have already admitted to not even reading the articles that you link too, when you try and make your ridiculous arguments.

    You now state that to save lives Ukraine should now surrender all its land Russia has occupied from Ukraine, leave the people their to the invaders who have persecuted them and destroyed their land. And you think they should completely disarm from any nato weapons to leave them defenseless against an aggressor who will only be too glad to have another go at them again once this happens?

    You are either trolling this thread or living in some kind of alternate world thinking the Ukranian people should accept that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    BS. Russia doesn't need to defend a border against NATO countries as not one of them had any intention of attacking or invading Russia, ever, no matter the considerable justifications they might have had for doing so. Russia frequently meddles in the affairs of neighbouring states and engages in violence against them. The opposite has never occurred in the time NATO has existed.

    It's like a criminal living at the end of a street, A street where not so mysteriously, certain houses get burgled, from time to time, getting all hyper and aggressive about the number of houses on the street that have installed alarm systems, banging on the door of the one neighbour he has who hasn't yet had an alarm system installed, and threatening them that they better not be thinking about getting an alarm system.

    The neighbour asks him to calm down and asks why would he object if he got an alarm system, surely he wasn't planning to burgle him again? Crickets.

    Putins objection to NATO is solely to do with it frustrating his flexibility to meddle in the affairs of other countries with both threatened and real violence to blackmail them into doing as told or for punishing them when they don't. He knows none of his neighbours would ever attack the second tenth best army in the world which has more nuclear weapons than they have had birthdays, but he wants to always be able to do so to them.

    People in the west who are apologists for Putins view and think it is legitimate, are filth, scum and warmongers. They are like that coterie of mental defectives who admire Anders Behring Breivik.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭paul71


    Please explain the expression "western controlled" doesn't that really mean democratic and free to choose its own government.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It's long been my opinion that NATO's a red herring Russia pushes. The EU is a far more dangerous entity for Russia. If Ukraine were in NATO and not the EU, that would actually serve the Russian masters to keep their people on edge, but if your average Russian looked over the border to a Ukraine in the EU, with all the economic and political and social advantages that brings, that's far harder to spin away. It would illustrate how badly Russians are being fleeced.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭paul71


    Do you expect anyone to watch another of your rubbish dump links after admitting yesterday that you yourself don't?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Putin will want to fight to the bitter end. His people, though? If his people were that gung-ho to fight, they'd be signing up in their droves. There would be no need to introduce this 'partial mobilisation' measure as Putin would have all the enthusiastic volunteers he could handle, and there would be no protests in the streets, only spontaneous rallies and parades. Putin may be heartened whenever he sees a car with a Z daubed on it (not that he goes outside much these days), but that doesn't do him much good if that doesn't translate into enthusiastic soldiers, ready to give it their all for a common cause. You cannot prosecute a war without the resources and that's a hard reality that no amount of Russian respect for its military history can overcome.



  • Registered Users Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Housefree


    You keep over quoting that, eventually you might actually believe it. It was you who said you had hours to read and post the links, then you wanted me to go through it all and pull out the relevant parts, now your using that repeatedly to make out I didn't read it, give yourself a break mate. Or do you usually just repeatedly troll users and add nothing to the discussion?

    Stick with your Nazi apologist rhetoric and let the rest of us get on with the thread.

    Your on mute for me from now.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    Vietnam wasn't on the USA's doorstep though. And that is a very crucial difference here.

    The Russians are highly unlikely to tuck tail and scamper away like the yanks in Vietnam, because they will have to live with the consequences of that decision in their backyard for the rest of time.

    Vietnam also wasn't ethnically or culturally significant to your average American, again another important difference here.

    Russia stands to lose much more (from their perspective), if they walk away.

    For this, and many other reasons, I could see Russia fighting on indefinitely. Even if it means very dire consequences for them. I fear the west may have seriously underestimated how determined they are not to lose this war.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    The Russian's don't need to worry about the EU or being fleeced, they have the Eurasian Economic Space as part of the Eurasian Economic Union and all the wonderful benefits it offers, oh wait...



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The points you are making are used most in Russian propganda and sponsored far right groups in Europe,that Putin sends presents once i a while in an browne envelope.

    The russians are energy secure,how?

    One pipeline to China selling gas for half price vs Europe, and another one finished next year and more planned that takes 7-10 years to build because no infrastructure in place?

    Terminals and ports that freezes over because they are located in the artic?expensive use of pilotage and icebreakers that costs 10 times more added to transport prices?

    Oil sold on discount to India and China?

    Cant do deep sea drilling without western equipment end expertise?

    All you have to do is wait for Russia to go back to the stoneage instead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Sorry for hitting your national ego nerve so hard there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Russia will never hand back the annexed territories. This mobilisation is clear he doesn't want to. The question is how much will ukraine take back by force.


    The timing of the Kharkiv offensive was so important because without it Russia would have held a kharkiv referendum also. I'm not sure how far Ukraine can go but take Kherson city seems very doable along with the remainder of kharkiv, the north of Luhansk and the northern pocket of Donetsk oblast. It might not take long before they've liberated parts of these annexed territories.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Oh, I can't get over how great that Eurasian Economic Space is. It's almost as good as the Russian version of NATO - the CSTO. Only the other week, Armenia invoked its mutual defence clause against Azeri aggression and the Russian army came right in to drive the aggressors back, oh wait...



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭paul71


    You are the one purporting them as evidence not I. You don't even read them, you simple google a headline and post. You display no depth of knowledge in your points and have been shown to repeat long debunked arguments. This speaks to your credibility and you are pushing flawed opinion based on nothing in the hope that you are not challenged.


    Tough luck I am not going to allow propaganda to go unchallenged.


    As for NAZI propaganda, that's is a laughable assertion from someone incapable of debate and has nothing else to offer. If you wish to know my political persuasion it is as about dead center as it gets, I do however despise fools who fall for either the hard right or hard left.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭paul71


    We both hit the same nerve Cnoc 😉


    BTW it does also go to the heart of the Ukrainian issue. You moved to an Island that always produced more then enough food to feed its population yet it had no food security as the food was used to feed a neighbour while we starved, not one famine as many outsiders believe but continuously over 250 about years.


    In a similar fashion Ukraine in spite of being the richest grain producer on the planet starved to feed a neighbour. Food security is not only about growing enough its about delivering it to your population as both Ireland and Ukraine well know.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sky news

    Putin 'rejects commanders' calls to withdraw from Kherson'Russian President Vladimir Putin has reportedly refused to withdraw troops from Kherson at the request of military chiefs, the New York Times reports.

    The newspaper claims Mr Putin has become more directly involved in planning Russia's war in Ukraine, which today entered a seventh month.

    This has created "tensions", according to unnamed US officials.

    It is reported that some commanders have recommended Mr Putin withdraw troops from Kherson in southern Ukraine.

    Defence forces have made a series of gains in the region this month, and several key bridges have fallen following Ukrainian strikes.

    A referendum on joining the Russian Federation is being held in Kherson until 27 September.



  • Registered Users Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Housefree


    Energy security is about having enough for your countries needs, they have massive oil & gas reserves. Your talking about selling excess to other countries, yeah it will have serious implications for their budget not being able to sell gas/oil but that is a different issue.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    You can sense the enthusiasm....




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Starting to sound like Hitler and his obsession with holding ground and positions at terrible cost to the army.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    When you can't sell your most critical asset you can't really afford the upkeep then to keep your own infrastructure working, but it doesn't matter because when the economy tanks none of your people will have any money to buy and use that energy security waiting in abundance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Glad Iran regret giving Russia drones.


    Just not glad of the damage they are doing.


    Idiots gave Russia 100s of them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Housefree


    Iran regrets Ukraine’s decision to downgrade ties over the reported supply of Iranian drones

    They don't regret giving the drones



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You cant help spew russian misinformation every day can you

    What you need to do is understand Russias involvement in Ukraine using hybdrid warfare developed by Gerasimov,also known as Gerasimov doctrine.

    Sending in goons to destabilise the regions to have an escuse to invade or make an fake referendum have been part of Putins playbook since the invasion of Georgia in 2008.





  • Registered Users Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Housefree


    So a documentary made by a French women is now considered Russian propaganda, Putin really is the bond villain /s

    In reality it's an objective documentary with a honest narrative that you don't agree with



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭weisses


    I agree .. Russia had, according to then NATO chairman Jaap de hoop scheffer assurances that Ukraine would not be joining NATO, but in 2008 during a summit then president Bush surprised everyone stating Ukraine will be allowed to join the pact .... This resulted in Putin being properly pissed. And now we see the result.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Please post proof of the above.

    BTW Johnson isn't on the continet.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Since when does considering a neighboring country to be culturally and ethnically significant to you give you a right to invade them?

    If they had the internet back in '20, lads like you would be on it stanning for the black and tans. Desperate levels of cope going on.



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