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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭paul71


    Just keep telling him he does not read his own links, eventually he will block you and once he has blocked everyone he can continue posting to himself in his own self delusional world.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Putin getting "sorted" at this stage would solve problems for practically everyone, on all sides.

    Very few would lament his demise.

    Technology has made science fiction comic stuff an absolute reality.

    Why can't a few Musks or Gates' finance a pan-national operation that involves a drone delivery to Putin ??

    We know that a toxin spray on any handle would suffice.

    Long range sniping would be good too - drone mounted if possible ??

    In short, how is he still alive ??



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Iran regrets they forgot how much grain they import from Ukraine and thought Russia would give them a slam dunk better deal once they had taken over the place, but now victory doesn't look so certain, they are wondering where they are going to get their grain from now. When they discretely asked Australia for a good deal, they were shocked that They hadn't forgotten the several Australian women they had held hostage for years, like they did with Nazanin Ratcliff, and that no special price would be forthcoming.

    Joking aside, I find it particularly sinister that Iran seems to target Australian women who are reasonably attractive.




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭paul71


    Hilarious, live reporting he says and then says the guy reporting is insane. Thats the first thing housetree has said here that is true, the "reporter" he linked is visibly unhinged.


    1 glance at the link is enough to see in the eyes that he's a "madlad" that would make you turn about and walk out of a pub on a Friday evening.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,658 ✭✭✭storker


    The jury is still out on that but with Russian units being beaten back and being reinforced by a rabble of half-trained, ill-equipped, unmotivated replacements, so it's not looking too good. The Russians must be praying for their best US asset to get back into the White House. Russia is only influencing Ukraine in the military sense; Russia attacked and Ukraine had to respond, but even military action has failed to make the Ukrainians roll over and accept Putin's will, it's failed to make them change their minds about joining NATO or the EU, and it's failed to make them stop seeking and receiving support from the west. So in truth, the Russians have influenced bugger all on the other side of the front line. What Russia has influenced, and in a far more negative way, is its own economy and its own standing in the world. When your new best buddy is North Korea, you're not in a good place internationally, and you have no influence.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Housefree



    They are probably thinking of help with nuclear weapons, maybe Russia will give them some or scientific help.



  • Registered Users Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    It's a well worn theory at this point, but it's seriously lacking in intelligent reasoning.

    Russia is bordered by many nations, including Kazakhstan for example, who have been enjoying the recent economic spoils that have come from exploiting their natural resources. If your theory is true, then why has Putin and Russia made no attempts to prevent their economic progression out of fear that it might reflect badly towards their own nation? Kazakhstan would be even easier to subjugate than Ukraine.

    Your theory (although it's definitely not yours alone) sounds like more badly thought out propaganda, rather than anything with concrete rationale behind it.

    But I suppose if the baying hoard laps it up, that'll be enough to qualify it as a legitimate theory! ;)



  • Registered Users Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Housefree


    Im sure for your average Russian the same could be said for Zelensky and his regime. Why have they not targeted him?



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Look at the whole not 1 inch east speeches Russian have been ranting about for the last 30 odd years,

    We were promised Nato wouldn't move one inch east, something Putin regularly spews in speeches,

    But ask putin who promised him that ,who promised Russia that, and where...

    Nobody is the answer with the fall of the Berlin wall and former Soviet states gaining independence,

    It was raised at some meeting by one Russian negotiator ,I believe in America could have been Germany.

    And never officially discussed again by any leader nor president...


    But yet they were 'promised "



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,658 ✭✭✭storker


    Just speculating here, but my wife (a nurse) says she loves working with Australians because they always speak their minds and don't beat around the bush. These traits, combined with physical attractiveness and probably also self-confidence strike me as being precisely the kind of traits that would trigger the authorities in a pathologically theocratic, misogynistic, patriarchal society like Iran's.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @storker

    Russia attacked and Ukraine had to respond, but even military action has failed to make the Ukrainians roll over and accept Putin's will, it's failed to make them change their minds about joining NATO or the EU

    If anything, the invasion can only have solidified Ukrainian intentions to join those blocs 1000%. Nice job, Russia. About as sensible as a man trying to beat his estranged wife back into loving him again.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Maybe thats because Kazakhstan are drifting more and more away from Russian influence and dont want to be controlled by Kremlin



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,411 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Nope.

    The NATO Russia Founding act signed in 1996 permits Ukraine and Georgia, as sovereign European countries, to choose their own security arrangements such as joining NATO.

    Russia has zero right to dictate otherwise and is contrary to multiple agreements signed by the USSR and Russia.

    The act specifies what forces and weapons can be stationed permanently in new members. Those are the only assurances Russia is entitled to.

    Russia has multiple times violated the Budapest agreement by which Ukraine gave up strategic weapons including nuclear weapons.

    The rest of your post is whataboutery nonsense and reveals the total bias and prejudice of your position. Deluded peacenik rubbish which does not serve the cause of peace but the cause of aggressive invader Russia and which seems to think the only suffering can occur is in a war and not in the kind of tyrannical occupation Russia has and will subject any Ukranian territory to.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭rogber


    The gullibility of some people here would be truly comical if the circumstances weren't so tragic.

    And the usual suspects actually WANT these things to be true just to reinforce their narrative



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,883 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I wonder tho...if this was an alternative world with the USA in place of Russia doing the invading I think you'd be saying what they have suffered so far in Ukraine is quite a catastrophic strategic defeat. Esp. given your distaste for the US/"West", and general contempt you display for wishy washy & weak ideas like democracy and leaders chosen by all us silly joe soaps voting, rather than perhaps selected by or drawn from ranks of the "smart lads" (people like Putin)....! This idea (about effectiveness of autocracy) seems to have been a constantly recurring one in the thread (recalling past posts many moons ago).

    I'm fairly sure you'd be saying it was a new failure/epic misjudgement on level of Iraq war (edit: well beyond that really). Putin just refuses to recognise it, and he can defy gravity, try to double down + avoid the consequences of what he has done for now because he is pretty much a despot and accountable to nobody!

    I don't think that actually shows anything impressive or admirable or even effective/efficient about dictatorships/autocracies vs democracies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Gorbachev had said that he was given assurances that no NATO military infrastructure would be placed in the former East Germany after reunification. He went on to say that this promise was kept - there was no NATO military infrastructure placed in the former East Germany - but there was NATO infrastructure placed in countries further east of that region. NATO had obeyed the wording of the agreement, although Gorbachev would later say that by expanding in this way, he felt NATO had violated the spirit of what was agreed, but still conceding that what was agreed had been stuck to.




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭mondeo


    How many years will it take for Russia to completely collapse ? Surely now it is going to happen sooner or later ? Who would want to live there now other then the elderly who are so conditioned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Housefree


    I think a big reason he wasn't killed is Russia want him to sign any peace treaty so it will have more legitimacy with him being the poster boy of the west, off shore accounts n all



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So you don’t like peace and think spending vast amounts of taxpayers money on weapons is a good idea?

    Look at the thousands of aircraft in the us Air Force. Look at the many aircraft carriers etc. Who can match them even if Americans had half the equipment they have now they would overpower any nation out there.

    Russia has achieved rogue state status at this stage. Even North Korea is denying providing it weapons.



  • Registered Users Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run



    But how can you tell if what you're being told is true or propaganda? Or do you even care? Is a pretty lie better than an ugly truth?

    If your new best buddy was ONLY North Korea, I might be inclined to agree with you there storker.

    The problem the west has however, is that anyone who doesn't play by their rules gets sent to the naughty corner... pretty much permanently.

    But the naughty corner is starting to get a bit crowded at this point. And the west is effectively corralling all of these "bad boys" into a loose de-facto alliance. Even though this isn't their goal, and many of these nations don't always make easy bedfellows, necessity and circumstance is creating it. So western foreign policy is actually potentially making the world a much more dangerous place.

    And Russia is at the apex of that new alliance, along with China, as both nations would love nothing better than to completely dismantle the western power structures. This war has done nothing to alter that dynamic in favour of the west btw.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,106 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Armenia are playing Ukraine right now in a Nation's League match (in Ireland's group, as it happens).

    It's hard to think of a match that seems so insignificant compared to the existential issues that both of these countries are facing right now.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    That as may be, a Ukrainian academic living in Paris, an expert on Ukrainian/Russian relations, said on France24 that Russia had a hit list of at least 2 million names of people she described as comprising Ukrainian civil society, complete with their addresses, places of employment, phone numbers... This was before Russia invaded and was still rattling sabres at the border.

    The list comprised those people who were active in making Ukraine what it is - journalists, activists, politicians, civil rights and other prominent lawyers, academics, writers, senior and middling civil servants of import, etc, etc - and that Putin's intent was to exterminate these people in order to snuff out the core of Ukrainness, so the rest could more easily be subdued and transformed into loyal Russians. I believe Putin has referred to culling wolves so that you are left with easily controlled sheep. Only the wolves really matter.

    She was right, we have since had a large number of reports that where Russia took control of places, they then go to certain known addresses and ask for specific individuals, and if found, they are disappeared. In the last week I saw an interview of a group in Izium who said Russians came looking for certain people, took them away, and they had not been heard from since. It's a large part of what those filtration camps have been for, as we heard of in connection with depopulating Mariupol. The SS and Gestapo are alive and well.

    The scale of this particular war crime has not been really reported on that I have seen. The media have focussed on the more sensational atrocities, quite rightly, but not this very sinister sub-current of Pol pot/Chinese cultural extermination that has been happening, which should get coverage.

    As exaggerated as it may sound, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Putin had expanded that list by an order of magnitude so as to remove the Ukrainian problem, once and for all, having realised there were a lot more wolves than he had originally thought. Get right what Stalin failed to.

    I think the stakes are unimaginably high.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,106 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I mean....what can you even say



    I understand that these constant videos of new recruits horrendously drunk are not anything like a proper sample of those mobilised - but it just seems to be a constant issue.

    Ireland is a country that by any standards has a drinking culture but you wouldn't often see people in this kind of state - certainly not during the daytime anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    Ah but it's obvious, unlike Ukraine there's obviously not enough Nazis in Azeri to justify any special military operation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,658 ✭✭✭storker


    I know there is a degree of press freedom in the west that is light-years beyond what is available in Russia - that's just one way. I won't be engaging with you any further, you don't really have anything to say apart from regurgitated pro-dictatorship anti-democratic rubbish. Better luck elsewhere.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,058 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Look yourself and Housefree and several others are in the cúinne dána here. As has been pointed out repeatedly, there is all manner of spin & propaganda in this conflict and previous. In this situation, the best approach is to look as widely as possible for sources and assess them for partiality as you wish. The reality insofar as that exists, lies somewhere in the middle.

    As regards this conflict, we have spin & propaganda from Ukraine but also many other sources and observers on the ground in Ukraine and remotely which gives us a good sense of what is going down. From Russia, we have spin & propaganda & lies and f**k all else.

    Which is why Russia as a state, economy and society is going down the tubes. This invasion has been an incredibly stupid adventure on their part.



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