January 6 Public Hearings

That 32 second clip is supposed to prove something? If only Jacob Chansley's defence attorney had known, because surely any judge when faced with such compelling evidence would be forced to overturn their 41 month sentencing.

What is even more incredulous about the Secret Service deleting their text messages from Jan 6th is they literally have resources to get those text messages back. If there were a terror plot on the US and national security was on the line you can rest assured they would be able to retrieve any deleted text message between the plotters quick smart. And it wouldnt matter what end to end encryption service was used, they would still be able to crack it. So for them to say they cannot retrieve their own messages is just a pack of lies. There is a huge cover up going on inside the Secret Service as to what they were discussing that day and its known that many of them were Trump supporters.

Only 15 months prior to Jan 6th a far right militia group were involved in a plot to murder the State Govenor Gretchen Whitmer and in that instance the 14 plotters were using either Whatsapp or Telegram to discuss their plans to kidnap her

Yet we are seriously supposed to believe that the Secret Service cannot retrieve their own text messages from Jan 6th, its the greatest load of tosh Ive ever heard.

Anyway the 2 years of Alex Jones texts could be explosive provided he wasnt using other burner phones. If he wasnt and everything on one phone then Id expect the text messages to get underneath the hood of the alt right media grifter eco system. All the other players like Roger Stone, Rudy Guillaini, Steve Bannon and Sean Hannity will show up in them communicating with Alex Jones. If the Jan 6th committee have got that then they've got a treasure trove.

The USSS texts could be potentially explosive if there were agents there on Jan 6th who were going out of their way to stop Pence certifying the election. Was it ever revealed if the committee got all of them though, you would wonder. Id say they were deleting like hell on the 7th to cover up whatever went on in there.

The Alex Jones texts will also be interesting as they are likely to show the entire network of Trump grifters communicating in an effort to overthrow the election results. Could get spicy if Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity show up in his texts. No doubt Roger Stone will and there might be mention of the Oath Keepers and their plans for the 6th

Mark Meadows testimony could have a few zingers in it but has he fallen out with Trump publically? He might throw them a few tidbits but not sure if he is going to hang Trump out to dry

The Washington Post outed a paramilitary leader of the Oath Keepers who posed as a fake rioter on Jan 6 back in February 2021, Thomas Edward Caldwell.

Apparently he was a Navy intelligence officer (ONI) and FBI section chief 2009-2010, with top level security clearance.

What manufactured plot are you talking about? And, is it relevant to the Jan 6 discussion? Not sure that the fact the FBI has 'embedded' sources is surprising, it's an old practice going back forever. Mafia dons have been informants in the past. And, Mafia dons are differently motivated than psychopathic goons like Proudies.

I have no way of knowing if he is. Perhaps I shouldn't mention things which are only speculation so fair enough.

As I've just shown with links, the FBI have assets at the top of these organisations and multiple agents within them.

To the point where, as with MI5 in NI, they should perhaps be asked some hard questions about their involvement in planning and carrying out operations in the name of infiltrating them.

There's an old joke that if 11 KKK members meet five are FBI agents, five are local law enforcement and one is real.

I'm glad to see the FBI take these organizations seriously and infiltrate them. It's pretty obvious the members aren't the sharpest pencils in the wallet, much like the KKK, and infiltrating them, getting them to provide evidence of their wrongdoings, is ordinary police work. Police forces throughout the US infiltrate gangs all the time.

Once the trials happen, the actions of the police around the infiltration are something the defense is interested in and a target for the defense to win their case. I don't think the FBI are 'carrying out' the operations. I do think they're right there observing and gathering data though.

Mike,

The fact that a 'fascist coup attempt ' went ahead with the foreknowledge of the FBI and the participation of several FBI agents ought to raise lots of questions and calls for scrutiny. Did they decide to 'manage' this coup attempt from the inside instead of outright preventing it?

MI5 and MI6 running wild in Northern Ireland (see Village Magazine's exposes) demonstrate the potential for abuse here.

I've said I was only engaged in speculation re McInnes. Though it's a fact that he is an actor and a hoaxer which raises my suspicions personally. There's zero proof so happy to drop the subject like I said.

However we know that the FBI have infiltrated Proud Boys and Oathkeepers to the point where both national leaders (like Tarrio) and multiple ordinary members are FBI agents.

Therefore it's not outlandish to wonder if ANYONE connected to these groups at any level is a Fed. Since some definitely are and they can go right to the top.

Tarrio was not an FBI agent. He was a former informant and co-operator between 2012-2014. He was arrested a few days before Jan 6th for another crime and part of his bail was that he wasn't allowed to enter Washington DC, in part to try and prevent him, as a Proud Boys leader, from going to the Capitol on Jan 6th in the hopes it would reduce the chances of the Proud Boys causing trouble. The news of him being a former FBI informant was made public for the same reason; to cause issues between the Proud Boys to try and prevent them going to the Capitol (eg. make it known some of their higher-ups have worked with the FBI and deter some members going to the Capitol in case they were then snitched on).

He was not an FBI agent, and the FBI's actions were to try and prevent trouble at the Capitol, not cause it.

Presumably the FBI could have arrested several far-right conspirators on conspiracy charges but chose not to.

That is interesting in itself.

Does plotting to overthrow the US government meet the bar for a conspiracy charge?

But hey nothing to see here, right?

Youd think though if they had informers on the inside why didnt the FBI arrest all members intending to travel to DC before they even got there, that was their opportunity to help prevent Jan 6th. Surely by Jan 5th the Oath Keepers had already committed crimes like conspiracy to overthrow the government. Why actually allow them to go ahead and try it? It seems a poor use of infiltrating a group if they dont use it to prevent the actual crimes they are planning. Would they let armed bank robbers go ahead and rob the bank and put lives in danger, I would doubt it