The Pushback against Leftism

Pussyhands · 24-09-2022 10:30pm

The eu clearly doing a great job.

Ursula and the other non elected leaders of the eu tell us what we should be thinking and how we should feel.

Chickens coming home to roost now with rising support of the right. Sweden elected right. Italy are going to go far right.

Poland are right.

Hungary are right.

France lost their full power to the far right.

xxxxxxl · 24-09-2022 10:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659217#Comment_119659217

Not defended Simply suggested ways for people to get along.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-09-2022 11:23pm

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Do you actually know what a "belief" is, as opposed to a fact?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-09-2022 11:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661168#Comment_119661168

Always against it. You're getting "left-leaning" and "woke" mixed up.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661310#Comment_119661310

I think Eskimo would dispute that based on his idea that beliefs shouldn't be foisted upon children

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 25-09-2022 12:01am

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xxxxxxl · 25-09-2022 12:02am

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No any beliefs that are not suitable I think would be fine. keep Religion in the old houses of worship same with the new one.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 25-09-2022 12:16am

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That first sentence doesn't make sense - you're fine with unsuitable beliefs...? Guessing there's a typo there.

In any case "beliefs" is still a bit vague. I agree with you about the keep-religion-out bit, but still - who's beliefs? What beliefs?

xxxxxxl · 25-09-2022 12:26am

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Yeah was a typo. Any beliefs that are unproven I would not want Transgender/lgbtqir+ theory taught anymore than Creationism. It's fine to teach children from 10-12 up that same sex marriage is fine and Gay/homasexuals are fine exist and are people too. Teachers none ideological ones know when children are ready and able to grasp concepts. Introducing it to young just leads to confusion.

lumphammer2 · 25-09-2022 1:05am

What have Hitler's Germany, ISIS, the current Afghanistan regime, the current Iranian regime, Putin's Russia, Al Qaeda, and the fictional Republic of Gilead all got in common? 2 things ... they are oppressive warmongering hellholes and they are far right ...

So Italians out of protest will elect similar idiots into power tomorrow ... and what next? War of some kind what else ... far right is a byword for war .. and life will get worse for Italians who will have no choice who they vote for, no money when the regime pulls out of the EU, and no rights whatsoever ... but it will all be too late to stop the new Mussolinis ...

How can people fall for these types ??? They capitalise on every problem but they will not solve them .. they will make every problem worse ... and cause new even worse ones ... Brothers of Italy and The League are scary dystopian entities with deep links to Putin and other ruling fascists ... these 2 parties should be banned from any government if Italy's establishment have got any sense ... whatever way one looks at them the majority of the people do not vote for them and most of those who do are hoodwinked by them ... Brothers of Italy sound too like Sons of Jacob for me and all .. fictional hellhole dystopia and the real world mirror each other ... Sons and Brothers of the Apocalypse more like it ... far right = war/evil ... always ... what we see in Ukraine, Russia and Iran today will be what becomes the norm in other countries if similar cretins like these 2 Italian parties gain power ... I would not trust any far right party or person as far as I could throw them ... they have a plan and it is evil, war and death to anyone who falls out of line with their warped dogma ...

lumphammer2 · 25-09-2022 1:23am

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The EU has become problematic .. and its policy and current status attracts misguided people to vote for and support evil far right parties .. I believe the EU needs to reform go back to its roots as a trade based entity ... I am well aware of the problems that exist ... but I would never even contemplate voting for evil far right jacks who have no intention whatsoever of solving any problems ...

Did the far right Islamic Republic solve any problems of the Shah's Iran? No ... only made it worse and added their repressive far right voodoo law into the mix.

Did Hitler improve Germany's lot? He did for a few years but the racist warmongering nature of the far right took over then and destroyed Germany ... Ditto for Mr Putin today ...

Look at the wonderful far right utopia that ISIS created in Iraq and Syria and their gentle, caring system they preside over ...

Big mistake in Italy if they form a government that comprises of Brothers of Italy and the League ... the people will then wonder why they were so stupid to trust the untrustworthy and will feel like their German, Iranian and Russian counterparts ... trust Satan and Satan will take advantage and fool you ... Satan is real and he resides in every far right movement .. ironically pretending to be Christian, etc.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 25-09-2022 3:14am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661746#Comment_119661746

Well, there's a difference between teaching about a belief and teaching someone to believe.

Religion is a classic example: most people would say that kids should learn about religions and religious beliefs, but without any influence or indoctrination. Social issues should be covered and debated as well: how else are you going to produce well-informed educated students...?

Comparing a base religious tenet to a modern social issue though, is either beyond ignorant or blatant trolling.

xxxxxxl · 25-09-2022 3:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661912#Comment_119661912

There should be a basic module covering all faiths and what faith is that's it. Should not be specific to any religion. If you want to dive into one your family can take the children to the one their affiliated with. Transgender/lgbtqir+ is theory on sexuality. Can be taught much later to a much older crowd voluntary sign up. Sexual health and sexuality is for older children also beyond their understanding at an early age. You don't start children on Boolean algebra instead of basic numeracy. Have no idea why everything is trolling these day.

Shoog · 25-09-2022 6:49am

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Funny man.

Annasopra · 25-09-2022 10:38am

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🤣🤣🤣

TomTomTim · 25-09-2022 10:51am

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these 2 parties should be banned from any government if Italy's establishment have got any sense

Beautiful, just beautiful. This comment sums up modern "leftism" more than everything: "We must be authoritarian to stop authoritarians", "we can only save democracy by banning everyone else from democracy".

Your ranting about dystopianism is beyond ironic, considering the fact that your vision is far more dystopian than anything being suggested by your rivals. Only a few years ago everyone would of viewed a post like that as nothing but parody, yet it's not, you truly believe all of it, and see no contradictions in post full of them.

RobbieTheRobber · 25-09-2022 11:04am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119662326#Comment_119662326

90 pages in and you found the one and only comment that sums up leftism.

Impressive stuff and lucky you were here just at the right moment Tom.

But I have to ask.

Why is it that you believe of all the voices for the various differing groups that make up the wide swath of opinion that would be left wing politics that you have decided to settle on this one post as you tje defining voice?

25-09-2022 11:07am

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And you've got nothing to say about Stalin's USSR and Mao's China and repression throughout Venezuela and North Korea and so on?

Very convenient selection of awful leaders you put together.

Extremism exists on both sides, let's not forget that.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 25-09-2022 11:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661924#Comment_119661924

Gender and sexuality are two completely different things, though: we teach very young children about male and female but not homosexuality and heterosexuality.

Also, comparing social.issues to mathematical disciplines is just as stupid as comparing rhem to religious tenets.

Overheal · 25-09-2022 1:55pm

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How is it "more liberal" to regulate uteruses and other the browns

25-09-2022 3:40pm

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Because not all right-wing people oppose abortion, nor are racists.

That's just a catch-all stereotype used by the left to smear anyone even remotely on the political right. For them, the right are either Nazis, fundamentalist Christians, or something in-between. There's no nuance.

It's a desperate attempt, for sure.

AllForIt · 25-09-2022 3:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119663248#Comment_119663248

That's just a catch-all stereotype used by the left to smear anyone even remotely on the political right.

You'd think these morally and intellectually superior beings would be against 'stereotyping'.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 25-09-2022 3:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119663248#Comment_119663248

... in the same way not all left-leaning people are woke or socialist.

By the way, you are aware of the contradiction in saying , "stereotype used by the left"...?

lumphammer2 · 25-09-2022 4:41pm

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I have not praised Stalin, Mao ... or Ceausescu to name another far left fanatic ... and I hate them as much .. and the Khmer Rouge were defo the ISIS of their time ... but these are not the problem in Italy, anywhere ruled by ISIS, Iran or Russia at present are they?? The far right is the current problem in many places ... awful leaders exist in both extremes ... extremism in general is evil and does not solve problems. Why people fall for extremists' fake promises all the time beggars belief ...

lumphammer2 · 25-09-2022 4:49pm

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Sa what you like ..and I am centrist not leftist or rightwing ... but these 2 parties are a threat to Italian democracy and will not solve anything only make things much worse .. say what you like ... but when I see someone praise Hitler and excuse Putin in a party ... as has happened with some of these Italian far right politicians ... it worries me ... the Nazis and other far right dictators did awful things ... the holocaust was real ... and far right is always based on hatred and war ... there is nothing untrue about any of this ... and the same goes for the far left ... Stalin, Mao, the Kims, Ceausescu ... there is no real difference ... and Milosevic is proof as he was both far right and far left .. Putin too is both ... the fact that many evil regimes got elected by fooling the people/making false promises says a lot and it shows democracy is flawed when far right/far left entities can get elected by fooling the people ... Hitler for example was popularly elected ... he did not tell Germans he was going to launch a senseless war but told them he was gonna make them all rich. Hitler is far from the only example of an extremist who got in democratically ....

growleaves · 25-09-2022 6:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119663444#Comment_119663444

Ah but you initially said Salvini and the League had 'deep links' to Putin, which they really don't.

Its true Salvini praised Putin which he's now taking lot of flak for.

Salvini recently said that he never took money from the Kremlin, and he's denounced the invasion of Ukraine.

rogber · 26-09-2022 9:27am

Well Italy has gone right too now, after Sweden and the UK. I don't like the trend but the corporate centrists in the EU need to accept that voters are unhappy and address their concerns rather than just telling them they're wrong and that if we all wave rainbow flags everything will be okay

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 26-09-2022 9:38am

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Nothing to do with rainbow flags - this is a pushback against immigration and the cost of living.

And whatever about Italy, Sweden has had these attitudes for a while and the UK has had a conservative government for a good 10 years or so now.

It'll.be interesting to see how the handle the economy now.

Sudden Valley · 26-09-2022 10:31am

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I agree the driving force is a pushback against immigration, especially in Sweden , Italy and the UK but even within the European Right there are major differences in their social views. The Tories are pro-abortion and Pro- LGB (they are neutral to negative on Trans issues) while the new party in charge of Italy is antiabortion and anti- LGBT ( though they have indicated may soften some of their stance now they are in power). So it is not a general pushback against Left policies.

The problem is the Right is against mass immigration but seems unable to develop good Australia type immigration policies in Europe. Hungary tries the total ban on immigration and has a struggling population size and economy. The UK, even since Brexit, has been unwilling to invest money in developing a good immigration policy.

All European countries are facing damaging low birth rates so a smart immigration policy is needed unless we all are wiling to retire later.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 26-09-2022 10:59am

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Those changing with regard to social issues tend to going away from far right though - only Poland and Hungary are what you'd call strong right with regard to Lgbt issues and they have been for a while now.

Outside of those countries, there's no pushback against lgbt, and any government that tries it is not going to last very long.

Sudden Valley · 26-09-2022 11:42am

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Amongst the 27 European union countries there are various opinions on LGBT, the more negative, the more East you go. The Religious Right element of every country will always be against gay (and abortion) rights. In Italy the new leader is against the LGBT lobby which reflects the hard line US Republican comments on the "Gay agenda".

The Pushback against Leftism

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