carpenter dublin 2 advice

He needs someone to do carpentry work on a door, not make the door, so I'd imagine carpenter is accurate.

Totally incorrect. Carpentry and Joinery are two distinct Trades.

The only similarity is that an Irish Craftsperson of that trade would be a Qualified Carpenter & Joiner Craftsperson.

Doors and door frames and architrave are Joinery.

Tables are made by Cabinet Makers.

Yes but a carpenter can do what he needs to do

wtf...are you trying to say a carpenter cannot hang a door now?

You need to read and try to understand what I have stated above. It is very simple to follow.

A Irish Craftsperson is a qualified Carpenter & Joiner.

Therefore it is axiomatic that this Carpenter Joiner is an expert in hanging doors.

Hanging doors is not Carpentry. It’s Joinery.

Your Statement-

I did not say or imply that. Your above statement is totally incorrect.

Even if a Plumber or an Electrician hangs a Door, it will be Joinery. It will not be Electrical or Plumbing.

Carpentry is Carpentry and Joinery is Joinery.

Its certainly not Second Fix Carpentry as mentioned above, and even third fix Carpentry and Fourth fix Carpentry, etc will never be Joinery.

The OP is looking for a Carpenter Joiner to take down a door and hang a new door, and has subsequently stated above they will carry out the works themselves.

If the do the works themselves they may call it Masonry or even call it Architecture - but working on timber doors will still be Joinery.

Its not Magic.

It is what it is.

So, you are saying assuming 8-hour day €2400 to hang a bloody door !!, do they do H&S checks and R.A. as well, agreed may want to see site and job to price. Wait until buildings work goes wallop again and like back in 2007-2009 all the "craftsmen" will be on live line complaining they can't get dole and have no work

why do you think 45-50 min . how do you know that. your looking at 5-6 doors into new frames a day max. driving there and back plus setting up and puting tools back. probably allowing 1/2 day min and maybe more if the frame is bad and all the dirty work has to be done outside or upstairs.

why do you specify batery tools

your preaching to the Choir

i have to second fix a house in a few week and i dont know who fitted the frames and they look cat bad. 4-6 mm wider at the bottom on the 2 i looked at

the cost of tools is mental

@the_pen_turner If you don't mind me asking, are you a Carpenter, a Joiner, a carpenter/joiner, or a craftsperson?

Could you explain on here what "second fix" carpentry is please.

as far as the clients concerned. A carpenter is a fellow who works with wood.

the trade guy can argue over the correct label.

The op has been told is won't definitely be a quick job. But I'm sure he'll find out the hard way if he hires someone to do it quick and/or cheap.

What a most enlightening question

I do not understand how you cannot grasp what I have stated above heretofore.

An Irish qualified Craftsperson of Carpentry & Joinery is quality to carry out both Carpentry and Joinery.

This should not be difficult to understand.????

If that Craftsperson erects a roof on a two storey house then they are doing Carpentry (might be 2nd or 3rd or 4th fix Carpentry). They are not doing Joinery.

Again, hopefully, this should not be difficult to understand for most people. ??????

Now to answer your self- explanatory question:-

Let me explain again, if the Craftsperson is certified by the Irish State they will be qualified in both Carpentry & Joinery. Therefore if they are fitting a door - they are carrying out the trade of Joinery.

min the other hand, if they are constructing the timber stud partition - in which the door ope will be formed then they are carrying out the trade of Carpentry. If they fit the door frame in the stud partition- they are carrying out the trade of Joinery.

If your Craftsperson is qualified abroad and is only qualified as a Carpenter, if they fit a door then they are carrying out the trade of Joinery.

Furthermore, it is axiomatic that if your qualified Carpenter plasterers a wall then they will be carrying out the Trade of a Plasterer. And if your qualified Carpenter builds a wall with concrete blocks and mortar, then they will be carrying out the Trade of a Bricklayer. Etc etc etc.

This is so simple to understand.

Last example- if your Carpenter bakes a delicious fruit cake, - again they will not be carrying out the trade of Joinery, - they will be performing the trade of a Baker.

IIWII. — It is what it is.

If a man or women does either joinery, carpentry, or makes a cabinet, they are a carpenter. How can you not grasp that concept?

Do you even get any work as a carpenter with your attitude? 😂

He's not a carpenter, obviously

When you go to mass, and the priest mentions that Jesus was a carpenter, do you shout up and say that he was actually a cabinet maker?

It was his Dad Joseph Christ was the Carpenter.

A Carpenter Joiner is not a Cabinetmaker

And you haven’t a clue of the difference between Carpentry and Joinery.

You have had Tons of a very fulfilling life, but you need to expand your circle outside of Handymen, DIY’rs and Jacks of all Trades.

You haven’t a clue of the difference between Carpentry and Joinery.

I would not allow any Carpenter Joiner work on a building site without seeing his National Craft Certificate.

You wouldn't let a carpenter work on site, unless they were a qualified carpenter. Another amazing nugget of wisdom.

Nah mate, haven't you heard? Ceastwood decides what a carpenter is, and what is first or second fix. No one else. And everyone else is wrong.

Your statement:-

So you stated that in a two story house there is only 1st fix carpentry and that there is no 3rd or 4th fix Carpentry.

So your house has stud partitions on the Ground floor and that’s it.

So in your scenario, is the fitting of the first floor joists -“Part 2 of 1st fix Carpentry.

Fitting of the stud partitions on the first floor in your house is what - “Part 3 of 1st fix”

I wonder what fitting the timbers to the Roof (Flat or Pitched) would be - if as you say there is no 3rd or 4th fixing Carpentry. So it must still be 1st fix or a Sequel 😂😂

Also you will need to contact the Organisers of the World Skills Competitions (which are currently taking place) and inform them that there is no difference between Carpentry and Joinery.

You also need to inform the Worldskills Organisation that as per your information heretofore - Cabinet Making is the same as Carpentry.

€300an hour... €100 for 15min, cash only for fitting doors etc.. Wow! ... I think the horse has bolted with those insane prices.