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General British politics discussion thread

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,585 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The flag and anthem are "for the people". Suggesting a political party looking to rule the country should not display the symbols of the country is a weird take.

    I think singing the anthem is a bit cringe but that's mostly cause a)its not my anthem and b)its a bit of a dirge. But particularly given the current situation it makes perfect sense.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,313 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I find any political party wearing national zeal oddly ... I dunno, false. Maybe it's cos I know there aren't that many steps from innocent patriotism to full blown jingoism - and things like poppy fascism hint that it's not that far under the surface in the UK.

    So for the financially naive, what's the fallout here for the ordinary Brit on the street? This presumably will hit imports hard, ramping prices up?

    The naked avarice here makes our "strokes" look so small scale.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭quokula


    All the flag hugging nonsense Labour have pivoted towards in the last few years is a good distraction from the fact they have absolutely nothing to offer voters since Starmer took over.

    It's probably a safe bet in fairness, all they have to do is keep making shallow meaningless gestures while the Tories continue to burn the economy to the ground and they're pretty much guaranteed to get in at the next election.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    The fallout arising from this for the average Brit will be an increase in inflation caused by the fall of GBP against major currencies. Any imported goods, like food, will cost more.

    The deficit on trade will cause the GBP to fall more, and cause the BoE to increase interest rates to shore up the GBP and to try and combat inflation. Some of this has already happened, but more will be needed.

    The budget deficit must be funded by increased taxation or by borrowing. Truss has gone for reduced taxation (for the rich) and that will make the situation worse. So, given the fall in sterling, the market may be unwilling to lend money. That is going to lead to a crisis - not many friends to come to their aid..



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,795 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Increase to inflation, reduction in imported goods, increased substitution by domestic producers.


    Britain and Europe are going to be competing on price with much of the world by the end of this.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,700 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ya imports go up. A simple way of seeing it is let's say you buy something from Amazon which they price at €20 converted you pay let's say £17 now converted you pay £19 (not accurate figures btw).



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,302 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Not only that but as this will fuel inflation the BoE will need to keep raising the interest rates to combat it; talk about counterproductive governance policy. We want low tax and high state spend through lending...

    Post edited by Nody on


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Exactly, it is fairy tale economics. Give tax cuts to the rich, and hope that causes growth is a real fairy tale. The rich just pocket the money - they 'earn' more than the can spend as it is.

    Finance this tax cut by borrowing is banana economics that will have disastrous consequences as the required interest charges have to be paid by someone. We have been there - when the whole Irish income tax take was used to pay the interest on the national debt. Emigration was the result - but where will the Brits emigrate too - now the EU is no longer open to them, nor is Australia, NZ, or most places.



  • Administrators Posts: 53,736 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    It's worse than them just pocketing the money.

    The rich will take the money and move it off-shore. The UK economy will never see any of this money.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,237 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    How long was the whole Tory elect a new PM process, 2-3 months? High chance that Truss's premiership may be shorter than the time it took to choose her, after this budget debacle.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,094 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Rishi Sunak must be sickened that he caved in the end of the leadership contest and started agreeing that there needed to be tax cuts.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    The need for tax cuts may be right.

    It is the chosen cuts that are just plain stupid. If VAT was cut to, say, 15% then that would have an immediate effect, benefitting all consumers, whether they pay income tax or not. Obviously it is going to help those with deep pockets more as they have more money to spend, but it will stimulate the economy, and the benefit will only go to those who spend.

    Cutting income tax - and only those on the higher rate is just a nonsense vote buying tactic. Unfortunately, no-one in the red wall constituencies will benefit, and few constituencies outside London will benefit. So ordinary voters will be utterly turned away from the Tories. How will the shires fair with agriculture hard hit by Brexit fair? Or those industries and businesses hit by high energy costs - will they be dancing in the street with the few bob in tax cuts completely wiped out by the huge energy bills?

    The question is - will those Tory MPs from the red wall constituencies jump ship?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,298 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    New poll puts Labour way ahead and it would give them a large majority.

    Good luck to talk about changing the voting system now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,162 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The tax giveaway to the 1% is going down well I see




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,496 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    This is rapidly turning into a major political crisis. There's talk that Kwarteng may have to be sacked as Chancellor or Truss forced to resign as Tory leader soon enough - it's 'that' serious. No government can carry on without the confidence of the markets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,926 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    This really is hilarious from the outside looking in.

    I mean, from Brexit to May to Boris to Truss.

    When you think the Tories can't do anything more stupid they release this mini budget.

    But the World Cup is around the corner and they'll try to distract the nation by focusing on that with pictures of Truss in her 3 Lions shirt in front of the tv cheering on England to win but forget about Wales who she's also the PM for!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,485 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Nobody will care when the pubs go bust because of their energy bills. We're in the middle of a cost of living crisis. No amount of soccerball in slave-built stadiums in the middle-east alters that.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,839 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    This is one of the ridiculous things about the British political system, whoever is in power will see changing the electoral system as detrimental to themselves, so it doesn't happen.

    Another ridiculous thing is parliament not sitting to allow the Tories and Labour have party conferences. At a time of crisis with their currency taking a kicking and markets losing confidence in them due to government decisions they didn't have to make, very little is happening and the problems are only getting worse.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,485 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Don't be so sure. The conference passed a motion urging the party to introduce PR. Maybe it'll happen, maybe it won't but it's closer than it's ever been.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Labour should introduce PR because the current system benefits the Tories hugely, and the changes reducing the number of MPs in Wales makes getting a majority harder.

    The Tory party could well split into the One Nation, and the Loony Swivel Eyed Right Wingers. Labour could also split, but not as likely. It would boost the left leaning parties, and the centrists.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,313 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    That'd be the shortest period of leadership for a PM, right?

    It's so baffling in a sense; even if we accept this is nothing more than a firesale grab by chums in power, they've overplayed their hand, spectacularly. They didn't have the nous to be sneaky about it, or clever. Move a little here, give back a little there. Nope, just a big present to the wealthy and F everyone else.

    Also at this rate, reads as if people are going to lose the homes they can't afford to heat anyway. Ah sure they can just get a second job, easy peasy right?




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,302 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Well the market is clear on it's views (bold highlights by me)...

    Earlier, the pound plunged to a 37-year low and government borrowing costs topped those of Greece and Italy as traders took fright over the radical change in economic policy.

    Traders are now betting on rates of 6 per cent next year, up from the current 2.25 per cent

    @pixelburp Yes; this is the list of shortest time as a PM in the UK as per the wiki.




  • Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭FraserburghFreddie


    Hopefully the spectacular own goals the tories keep gifting Labour will result in Starmer getting his chance to start to repair the damage caused by the tories at home and abroad . I'd like to see energy companies renationalised for a start although rebuilding trust with Europe should be his major concern.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,033 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    tax cuts will fuel inflation, regardless of who gets them. In current environment they arent really a good idea regardless of who is getting them.

    Right now the UK government are in a struggle with the BoE whose remit is to tackle inflation of the currency. Govt makes stupid budgetary decisions like tax cuts, and BoE will respond by hiking rates even more. If they both cant get on the same page they will cripple the economy together.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,298 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    What difference would parliament sitting make?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,298 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Labour only talk about this when they're in retreat.

    Blair wanted to do a deal with the Liberal Democrats in the 90s - give PR in exchange for an electoral pact. It never happened as Labour won with a landslide.

    That looks like a possibility now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,700 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Things looking a bit rocky in the English soccer camp too.

    Knives starting to sharpen for Southgate and if he blows it that's another thing to be miserable about in your cold dark house this winter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,700 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The only 2 modern ones to last less than a year are Boner Law 🤭 who stepped down because terminal throat cancer made him unable to speak and Douglas-Home who took over at the end of a government term because Macmillan stepped down due to ill health. The government were already unpopular but Profumo tanked Macmillan so DH was on a hiding to nothing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭FraserburghFreddie


    Nothing to be miserable about imo. The tories are continuing to fumble the ball,giving Labour a golden opportunity.

    Your comment about the England football team is stereotypical anti British drivel by the way.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    he’s right though. The English team are not good. I doubt they’ll be any diversion provided by them this winter



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