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AMD Zen Discussion Thread

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    #3842
    Slutmonkey57b
    Registered Users Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119542228#Comment_119542228

    "overall performance" at what metrics though? Large scale multithreading that's only useful for workstation tasks? Gaming? Scientific?



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    #3843
    Slutmonkey57b
    Registered Users Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119541287#Comment_119541287

    The 13% is what you're getting from zen4. The rest is clocks (which is coming off the change in node) and a massive power increase.



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    #3844
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users Posts: 18,706 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119543618#Comment_119543618

    Wait for independent benchmarks so 🤔



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    #3845
    minitrue
    Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭minitrue


    I thought the NDA was lifting at 2pm our time and started refreshing a few youtube channels but nothing yet. https://www.anandtech.com/show/17585/amd-zen-4-ryzen-9-7950x-and-ryzen-5-7600x-review-retaking-the-high-end though seems to confirm the NDA lifted at 2pm so guess I'll have to do a little reading to start ;)



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    #3846
    minitrue
    Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭minitrue


    Or maybe not for the reading just yet ;)

    Gamer's Nexus video is up now

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRaJXZMOMPU



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    #3847
    Aodhan5000
    Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭Aodhan5000


    Power draw does seem to have increased notably. Between an Nvidia GPU and 7950X, we'll have the house heated.



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    #3848
    Slutmonkey57b
    Registered Users Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    I'm not entirely convinced by the power draw either, they haven't fudged the numbers quite as much as Intel did for the 12 series but the TDP is not actually the TDP this generation, and running a 240w part at 95 Celsius by design seems mad. I suspect 13th gen is going to hit hard and that's why they've pushed the boat out as much as they have. If Intel is finally getting its fabs back on track AMD could be in trouble again.


    Also not happy with the 300 quid entry level price but I'm resigned to it.



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    #3849
    Aodhan5000
    Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭Aodhan5000


    Aye the pricing is not ideal. I know a lot of people put the prices down to inflation but what I think is slightly more relevant is the price of consoles relative to gaming PCs as they are the obvious alternative at the end of the day



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    #3850
    jebidiah
    Registered Users Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭jebidiah


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119669468#Comment_119669468

    Add in the price of a mobo and DDR5 and it's even less attractive at the moment. Hopefully that changes with a bit of time.

    I will be taking a look at this 5800x3D chip on Black Friday though. I'm sure there will be great deals on DDR4 and older motherboards.

    32 gigs of RAM, 5800x3D, RX 6900 XT... Could all be had for decent prices!



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    #3851
    Slutmonkey57b
    Registered Users Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    https://www.club386.com/amd-ryzen-9-7950x-vs-intel-core-i9-12900k-at-125w-and-65w/


    Some pretty insane numbers there. Absolutely no effect on single core results at 65w limit. Multi core obviously is taking a bit, but even so it's not disastrous. Temperatures come right down too.


    Wonder what happens when you undervolt. Both companies seem to be chasing benchmark numbers in an environment where lots of people get their news from youtubers who are balancing video editing effort with actual investigations...



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    #3852
    Slutmonkey57b
    Registered Users Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    https://youtu.be/y_jaS_FZcjI

    And another mental video from der8auer. Maybe another **** IHS or thermal interface is to blame?



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    #3853
    Slutmonkey57b
    Registered Users Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    Yes, we're now at the stage where a series x is the price of the cpu, never mind the gpu. Pc gaming is honestly not that much more impressive than a current gen console on a huge tv



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    #3854
    Homelander
    Registered Users Posts: 4,400 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Gaming PC at the entry level is still good enough value, but mid to upper mid range, let alone high end, is becoming ridiculously expensive.

    I got a Lenovo with 5700G and 3060Ti for about 1,100 a good few months back, even before the Crypto bust.

    Usually I upgrade very regularly but at this stage, I'll run this until it's noticably starting to under perform, which will be a long time yet.

    Before we had all sorts of tiers in budget, entry level, mid-tier, and so-on, but now it's like entry level and then everything else. There's no real scale of affordability for the vast majority of people anymore.



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    #3855
    Aodhan5000
    Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭Aodhan5000


    https://youtu.be/FaOYYHNGlLs


    PBO2 seems to be the way to go with Zen 4



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    #3856
    Slutmonkey57b
    Registered Users Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119672800#Comment_119672800

    That will struggle to do 4k gaming though, which the xbox is doing at less than half the price...



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    #3857
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users Posts: 18,706 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119679096#Comment_119679096

    Xbox/PS5 have very few native-4K titles.


    It's almost always checkerboard rendering (upscaling).



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    #3858
    Slutmonkey57b
    Registered Users Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119679237#Comment_119679237

    That's on developers rather than the console, though. Fact remains consoles can do it while a 500 quid pc won't get close.



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    #3859
    _CreeD_
    Registered Users Posts: 4,139 ✭✭✭_CreeD_


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680011#Comment_119680011

    It's not on developers, it is a performance limit. Current gen consoles have roughly the processing power of an Nvidia 2080 and it can't do native 4K/60fps with high fidelity titles either, not to mention it will probably be a while before devs manage to squeeze even that potential out of them. They will never do native 4K/60fps plus on anything remotely good looking, you will always have some form of lower resolution upscaling. They will give you better gaming performance than an equivalently priced PC true but imho you end up losing that cost benefit over time with higher priced games and the requirement for a sub for any multiplayer.



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    #3860
    Jon Doe
    Registered Users Posts: 246 ✭✭Jon Doe


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119671586#Comment_119671586

    It's the IHS. He says so at 14:55. For the sake of AM4 compatibility...



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    #3861
    Slutmonkey57b
    Registered Users Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    *partial* AM4 compatibility, assuming stock backplate is used. A change in TIM might offset the IHS inefficiency somewhat. Maybe the big benefit will be for 3d vcache chips which now have a lot of extra z height, meaning better internal thermals and easier packaging?


    In 1 years time maybe all ryzens will have gpu and 3d vcache running at higher speeds than the 5800x3d,and it'll all make sense.



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    #3862
    _CreeD_
    Registered Users Posts: 4,139 ✭✭✭_CreeD_


    Afair GN mentioned believable back channel chat that said 3d VCache 7x Ryzens will be ready for the next CES, so Jan 2023. Whether that's an announcement or actual release though....

    Personally I think I'll wait until then. The new mbd price, DDR5, new much higher rated ATX 3 PSU, let alone what we'll see for PCI5 SSDs (and if there are enough directstorage titles to make that mean something) combines to make early adoption from a 5x this year a not so appealing proposition imho. Not because the new CPUs are bad but there is better on the near horizon and the benefit, hopefully, of reduced prices for the associated new tech. If you're jumping from 3x or earlier though it's a good move.



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    #3863
    Simi
    Registered Users Posts: 1,871 ✭✭✭Simi


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119687702#Comment_119687702

    Between two minds whether to build a new PC next year or not. Might hold off until 2nd generation AM5. Currently have a 5600X so it's not really gonna hold back a new GPU at 4k or even 1440p.

    Given the 7600X out paces a 5800X3D in most cases, the 7800X3D should be a massive leap forward.



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    #3864
    Hyzepher
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,662 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hyzepher


    I thought the 7600x was a bad buy from the reviews I've seen - especially with the overall costs of upgrading. The 5800X3D looks like it performs very well against the AM5 chips for gaming alone. I would go that way in the short term.



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    #3865
    wotzgoingon
    Registered Users Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119703615#Comment_119703615

    Once the B650 boards are released on the 10th of this month the cost of the upgrade will be less. The X670/E boards are a rip off.



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    #3866
    kingtiger
    Registered Users Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭kingtiger


    5800x3d for €366,57 and €12 postage to Ireland (359 on mindfactory)

    https://direkt.jacob.de/produkte/amd-ryzen-7-100-100000651wof-artnr-7763349.html?ref=109&utm_campaign=Preisvergleich&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=idealo

    Very tempted but will wait for black Friday and see does it go cheaper



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    #3867
    romperstomper
    Registered Users Posts: 1,687 ✭✭✭romperstomper


    Is there any more AM4 APUs or is that line completed now?



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    #3868
    Slutmonkey57b
    Registered Users Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    I would have said no, but based on the performance of raptor Lake and the costs of the Am5 platform, I think AMD are going to have to look at something to fill in the under 300 price point...



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    #3869
    Simi
    Registered Users Posts: 1,871 ✭✭✭Simi


    5800x3d has been popping in and out of stock at Amazon.de for €377.67 delivered

    https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/aw/d/B09VCJ2SHD?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image

    Estimated delivery November 14th so a little time to cancel if it goes cheaper. Gonna try it in my Asrock b450m HDV r4.0 and see what happens 😁



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    #3870
    TheDoc
    Registered Users Posts: 23,137 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Yeah I have the 5800X3D picked out as an upgrade also. Seen some benchmarks in games I play and its just a huge upgrade (games are CPU intensive)

    Seems better money spent for me at the moment to upgrade my 3600 CPU than my 5700 GPU



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    #3871
    romperstomper
    Registered Users Posts: 1,687 ✭✭✭romperstomper


    Any cheapo a320/a520 boards?



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