New Italian government with fascist roots

And let me guess the Italian's issue with an aging population will be solved by inviting in a bunch of African and Middle Eastern lads with poor education, no skills, a backwards mindset not in keeping with the current norms of the country and a distinct lack of desire to integrate with the locals.

I pointed out the exact same thing on a thread yesterday and how our national broadcaster spent their time on a news show just castigating the new possible government rather than once wonder why people are really turning to right wing parties.

Ah yes it is all about populism.

But what is populism?

Maybe it means you don't want to see a huge drain being put on your country by mass immigration of unproductive types that contribute little if not just cause social strife?

Maybe it means you want to be able to see your kids get a good education and a good start in life and not have to compete for limited state resources with a bunch who just turn up from God knows where and demand state support?

Maybe it means you live in a small Italian town and you are fooking tired of seeing a bunch of African lads hanging around doing fook all and your taxes are paying for it?

(And yes I have seen that myself only a few years ago.)

Maybe if means you are a normal working person that sees your livelihood disappear to some far off country because of the great capitalist dream of globalisation and you know your kids chances are even lower than the ones you had as a kid?

And the modern liberals will label all the voters for these parties as being morons who are falling for populist drivel.

They will never once recognise that a lot of people are getting very pi**ed off with the way their countries are going and are seeing the right as the only ones that seem to give a shyte about them.

But what is populism?

70 Governments in 77 years.

Rinse and Repeat.

It's one of the most nebulous terms being used at the minute, academics haven't even come up with a concrete definition. If you look up someone like Julius Evola, you'll find "fascist intellectual", yet he was a Neo Pagan, who didn't speak much about economics. Yet then we're told that "fascism is the merger of the state and corporations", which is far closer to modern neo liberalism than any of the so called "far right". It makes it a lot easier if you just view it as a "bad person" designation, meaning little else beyond that.

She is a straight up fascist. Amusing to see so many embarrassed conservatives and liberals trying to downplay her views as per usual. Reminds of all the people claiming Trump wouldn't be as bad as he was and of course all the people who called a spade a spade were very quickly vindicated.

Praising Mussolini for starters......

Recycling old fascist dog whistles like "financial speculators" for seconds.

Plenty of example provided in the thread already, but people choose to ignore it, or claim that isn't fascist at all, as they believe the same things and can't possible be fascists as they are bad and they can't possible be bad, despite holding exactly those views.

Plenty of evidence unless you choose to ignore it. Again, same thing happened with Trump, some people demanding evidence of how bad he was, despite the fact he provide ample evidence every time he opened his mouth and you know all his policies. We would literally get daily example of crap he pulled.

A lot of people are happy to support fascism, but they just don't like it, when people call a spade a spade.

Positive result for the continuation of European society, expecting to see similar elsewhere as the vast majority of Europeans are opposed to mass immigration, and always were.

Lies about "fascism" from the usual quarters predictable but irrelevant.

Stuff that happened nearly eighty years ago (in the case of the companies you mentioned) and nearly ninety in the case of FG can possibly be brushed off as ancient history.

The current leader has praised Mussolini. They adopt fascist slogans and symbols. In recent years, they've had to distance themselves from party members commemorating the March on Rome or praising Hitler. That's not ancient history.

Skimpydoo hasn't a Scooby Doo about what a fascist is. Clearly. If you think Fine Gael is (or ever was) a fascist party you are so utterly clueless about what fascism means that you might as well call them Klingons, or Orcs.

And Danzy clearly thinks that working class people can't be members or supporters of fascist parties either. Seriously??? What are you smoking?? Both Hitler and Mussolini had large sections of the working class of their respective countries in their pockets. They ABSOLUTELY tailored their messages to the poor and dispossessed in their populations. As long as they were of the right ethnic group, of course. Meaning, the majority one.

Nobody lasts too long in power in Italy. Not since the restoration of democracy, anyway. Mussolini was in charge for about 20 years but he had no time for all that "regular elections" nonsense.

Why do some people think that the "working class" has a monopoly on decency, commonsense and political moderation? It DOESN'T. The British working class voted overwhelmingly for the Tories at the last election and now they are about to pay the price. Big time. With that nice Mr Kwarteng in the Chancellor's office ("Ooh look! He's African. We couldn't POSSIBLY be racist. How cool are we?") the working class is likely to get the biggest self-inflicted kicking it has had since the 1970s, and for the same reason. A hopelessly optimistic expansionist budget at a time of already high inflation is only going to deplete purchasing power even more. Especially at a time of international volatility and uncertainty.

This is history repeating itself. The Tories tried this 50 years ago with the Heath-Barber "Dash for Growth". Pumping money into the economy to stimulate demand and preparing to pay the price of a modicum of inflation to generate the production that would soak up that new demand. It was risky then, it's even more risky now. They did not foresee back then, and maybe they couldn't have been expected to, that the Arab oil producers would react to the west's, especially America's, bailing out of Israel during the Yom Kippur War by doubling the price of their oil. Cue massive energy shortages and the infamous "three-day-week" of the mid 1970s.

But, of course, the international situation today is completely different. Oh, wait a minute.......

One immediate effect of Kwarteng's budget has been a plummeting pound. Cheaper sterling may be good for British exports, but what does Britain mainly export nowadays? Professional and financial services for the most part. They will do well. But how "working class" are they?

Cheaper sterling, on the other hand, will be desperate for imports. What does Britain import, apart from luxury goods? Well, food for a start. According to the United Kingdom Food Security Report 2021: Theme 2: UK Food Supply Sources - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk) the UK depends on imports for nearly half its foodstuffs.

Some quotes: "In 2020, the UK imported 46% of the food it consumed...

Overall, the UK’s food supply is concentrated on the UK and Europe, with over 80% of supply coming from these main sources. ...

EU countries continue to be the main source for FFD (food, feed and drink) imports and are therefore essential to the UK’s food security. 39% of FFD imports by value were despatched from 4 EU countries (the Netherlands, Republic of Ireland, Germany, and France) in 2020."

So whatever about not being able to afford a new Bang + Olufsen TV, the price of bread, milk, meat and cheese is going to soar, all the more so if the pound stays weak. (Cue shrill woman in a frilly blouse screaming "That is a disgwace!!!") Food is not an optional purchase. We all need it, even the oh-so-prescient British working class. And it's going to get a lot more expensive for them as for everyone. But hey. At least they don't have Brussels pushing them around any more and making them eat straight bananas!!

Just over 100 years ago it took the First Day of the Somme to shock the British working class out of its slavish loyalty to the Tories and consider a shift towards the Labour Party which promised to represent its interests. It will take something similar, figuratively speaking, to slap them around the head and wise up this time. But where are they going to go? Are they going to admit they made big mistakes in 2016 (Brexit referendum) and 2019 (Tory landslide) and have the oh so contemptible middle class sneer a massive "We told you so" their way?

Nah.

Can't see it.

Methinks they will shift even more to the likes of Nigel and even Tommy Robinson. You know, like working class people tend to do.

What's wrong with that? I'm sure there are plenty of people on here who wouldn't view Orban as anything more sinister than a harmless centre-right figure either.

never really seen such a robust defence of "financial speculators" than on this thread. bizarre.

are they misunderstood ? who are actual benefactors of the plebs? what am I missing.

Trump announced the date for that..... Biden just stuck with it. Afghanistan is a mess that belongs to every President since 2001. Also, lets not forget that Trump tried to black mail Ukraine to get dirt on Biden, remember the whistle blower he fired? You forget so easily I see. Trump screwed over Ukraine big time.

Also, people danced in the streets, when Trump lost. Also, their is the matter of the insurrection Trump organized, when he couldn't accept his loss. Not to mention he still won't concede that he lost. The man is a massive loser and should be in prison, but the Republican party has given up on democracy at this point, and is full on for white minority rule.

She may as well have just namechecked Soros and been done with it tbh.