Budget 2023

Ninthlife · 27-09-2022 4:06pm

As with all Budgets the usual people are out complaining:

'In effect a decrease' - Simon Community blast €12 welfare payment

The €12 increase to the rate of weekly social welfare payments is "insufficient" and amounts to a "decrease", The Simon Community has said.

The charity said that it welcomes once-off payments to help with the rising cost of living but that weekly payments don't go far enough.

"We welcome the once off payments that will particularly help with the energy costs people are due to face over the coming months, taking into account the 8.5pc inflation this year and 7pc expected next year. The increase of 12 euro on social welfare is insufficient, in effect a decrease in social welfare payment,” Wayne Stanley, Head of Policy and Communications, said.

Someone should tell them €12 is better than nothing. How much do some people think social welfare weekly payments should be? Should they be €500/600. Right now as others have said the high social welfare rates are disincentivizing people taking minimum wage jobs

dmakc · 27-09-2022 4:06pm

On the 10% concrete levy - what cost proportion of a 2 story new build is attributed concrete as stands?

Swaine · 27-09-2022 4:07pm

Lots of people earn between €37k and €50k in Ireland. For them, the €60 to €70 back in tax each month is the only help they got in the budget (outside of the energy credit). I don’t know how anyone could begrudge them it.

This group is also outside the earning threshold for many government hand outs and supports.

A good day.

murpho999 · 27-09-2022 4:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119671810#Comment_119671810

So you have never got anything from the government ever?

You never went to a public school? Drove on a road, walked on a footpath? Been to hospital.

Your parents didn't get children allowance, or you don't get any for your kids if you have any?

Could go on and on but the truth is Ireland is a pretty good place to live in with a very high standard of living and governments over the years have played a major part in that.

Thespoofer · 27-09-2022 4:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119671654#Comment_119671654

Why should working/middle class homeowners not get given solar, HP and ufh the same as council properties ?

fliball123 · 27-09-2022 4:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119671828#Comment_119671828

Your being disingenuous there are people who pay a lot of tax and get very little in return and if they ever have to use a resource they have to pay again. Private health care, private pensions. Toll bridges etc. Some pay nothing get lots of freebies housing, fuel, etc. Welfare will actively be competing with the minimum wage after that budget to a higher degree than before and that goes up the chain with low paid with the government allowances/grants are competing with the middle income earners. At some point people will start wondering why are they bothering.

murpho999 · 27-09-2022 4:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119671836#Comment_119671836

They probably said the same years ago when they started to build council houses with indoor toilets.

It's called progress and is part of environmental targets.

Thespoofer · 27-09-2022 4:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119671699#Comment_119671699

I personally think its a good thing council properties have these measures done.

The love just needs to be spread around a little more though.

thomas 123 · 27-09-2022 4:21pm

Nah mate. Those are luxuries. Luxeries that cost an absolute fortune for people like me self building, or those buying.

look at it this way , a private owner on the same street is living in a colder house that costs more to run than a lad scratching his hole across the road. I get what your saying but it is a bit of a kick in the teeth to already getting the house heavily subsidized(I won’t say free incase someone tells me that their 30 euro a week is paying rent)

Thespoofer · 27-09-2022 4:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119671867#Comment_119671867

Yeah but who's getting the benefit and whos paying for it.

Qrt · 27-09-2022 4:25pm

I only signed on last week and now I’m getting double dole, wahey!

downtheroad · 27-09-2022 4:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119671616#Comment_119671616

So are you saying income tax should be gotten rid of and replaced with much higher levels of VAT?

There could have been an argument to reduce the rates of VAT to put money in all consumers pockets. Unfortunately the only VAT reduction appears to have been on newspapers, and it will be interesting to see if the price of a paper actually reduces.

namloc1980 · 27-09-2022 4:28pm

Free energy upgrades for welfare recipients is fine but the working family is expected to pay through the nose for them. The grants available are nowhere enough with too much red tape and just ends up in the contractors pocket anyway.

blanch152 · 27-09-2022 4:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119670429#Comment_119670429

No, there are five rates of USC compared to two rates of income tax, that is certainly more progressive. Furthermore, USC does not encourage tax avoidance through the use of hundreds of different reliefs.

Swaine · 27-09-2022 4:39pm

What does the recent minimum wage rise amount to weekly after tax? About €20 a week would be a rough guess. Meanwhile €12 handed to those who will not work these jobs in retail, hotels etc.

Not even mentioning the extortionate costs of travelling to said minimum wage job.

That is very very wrong.

sydthebeat · 27-09-2022 4:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119671824#Comment_119671824

blockwork, mortar, foundations, subfloors, screeds, intermediate concrete floor slabs... hell even tile grout....

as a conservative figure id estimate this measure alone will put about 7% - 8% on top of an already inflated construction cost.... so your €250,000 build cost for your one off house will now cost you €270,000

in my opinion this measure will be comparable with Michael McDowells 'stamp duty' comments in 2006 for stopping house builds in ireland

blanch152 · 27-09-2022 4:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119670424#Comment_119670424

Disabilities-related issues are comparable to most countries in the EU and the rate of payment is at the higher end.

What is missing when you look at the Irish system are the case-management multi-disciplinary efforts to get those who have a disability to the stage where they can participate in the workforce.

I see sheep · 27-09-2022 4:45pm

Yawn, boards always the same guff - bashing people on the dole.

I wish you would all go on the dole for a few years lads.

You think it's a great life yet don't want it?

Strange that.

27-09-2022 4:46pm

Well it does not really help me much, but I can see how it will keep people a bit further from trouble. That's a good thing.

Selfishly I just hoped for it to just help a little bit more for those of us on slightly higher than average wage

Allinall · 27-09-2022 4:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119671999#Comment_119671999

It's a 10% levy. Not 100%

By your calculations the cost of concrete and associated products would be €200,000 per house.

blanch152 · 27-09-2022 4:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119671823#Comment_119671823

The Simon Community?

https://www.dubsimon.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/DSC-Signed-Audited-Accounts-2020.pdf

Is that the charity where the CEO earns around 100k, and there are 7 others paid more than 70k?

Finty Lemon · 27-09-2022 4:50pm

Are we all socialists now?

baldbear · 27-09-2022 4:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119671034#Comment_119671034

When I read that I was thinking which period?The Victorian?

dmakc · 27-09-2022 4:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119672020#Comment_119672020

Say a 2 story cost €500,000, would it be fair to say the concrete would be €200,000 (I have no idea)? Adding €20,000 onto house cost?

namloc1980 · 27-09-2022 4:57pm

Eoin Ó Broin didn't have much to say on Newstalk there. A few of the usual moans but nothing substantial about the budget itself. Sinn Féin got outflanked in spending by FFG.

DBK1 · 27-09-2022 4:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119671699#Comment_119671699

I’d imagine what “they would rather see” is to be afforded the same privileges and to also be supplied with the solar panels and heat pumps etc. to reduce their bills also.

If it can be provided to one group of society that never have and never will contribute towards the costs of running the country why can’t it be provided for those of us that do contribute?