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hi all, i only dip in and out of this, but is this a major new departure in the war? (gas pipe) also are we sure it has definitley been destroyed? on another note , is very simplistic now to say that NATO should just go in and wipe our Russian forces in Ukriane and make sure they stay out of it . OR should NATO push Russia out of Ukraine and then counter attack them in thier own land , like bomb them and putin into surrender and start to actually set up a democratic state in Russia like what was done in Germany after WW2? Surely its now time to bring in NATO and finsh this before winter sets in. Arent Russia very weak now economically and militarily? surely if NATO goes in it will be all over in a few weeks?

Ok but why start with the pipes he has control over? That makes no sense.

Surely he would attack the Norwegian and other lines first and then the only option left would be nord 1+2.

Now that would be leverage for him.

It just doesn’t add up that Russia attacked nord 1+2

If NATO attacks Russian forces- the nuclear card is on the table.

If Russia retaliates with nukes, as they will claim they were attacked by NATO, then we are all fucked as NATO will respond with nukes.

We would be into M.A.D territory.

He is not the only one who wants to see western Europe to collapse.

He may actually be distant second in that line.

right so in a way were in a much more dodgy place than either ww1 or ww2. mad really. i often wondered how ordinary life went on when ww1 and ww2 were also going on, but looking around i suppose life does go on, maybe tough times for people to live through but they do get through it. the world changed forever after ww1 and ww2, so will the world change completely after this war? are we at the end of an era? like the 19th centrury seemed to end after ww1 not in 1899. is the 20th centrury now about to end as we know it? can anyone really say 2000 was very different to 2010. but 2010 seems so differnt to now, even 2015 seems a long long time ago

They don't kill the dollar. They kill its singular importance. Its already underway.

The decline of almost everything else (includin its dependent currencies) is all the proof required. It is next.

Your missing my point.

I didn’t say we need nordstream 1 and 2.

Im asking what benefit does it give putin to sabotage nordstream vs the other pipelines?

What happened this morning was simple failsafe. In case that German government give in right after mass protests start.

Interesting to note that these two pipelines were full of gas so fully pressurised. Now that probably big holes are in them the pipes will empty in a week and full of seawater for the forseeable.

Now, seen as Gazprom owned most of Germany's gas storage it is probable that Nordstream 1 was connected to a fair chunk of the 60 storage facilities for inflow and outflow, so if there is no pressure in the pipe now, how are the gas reserves going to flow out from them and be transported around the system ?

'I Don't Want That Pipeline Operational': GOP Sen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBUIlHM9WSo