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Ash Dieback Disease (Chalara fraxinea) in Ireland

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    #752
    Large bottle small glass
    Registered Users Posts: 1,814 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119132902#Comment_119132902

    Tim what size ash are you talking about in terms of diameter and length (1.3m or so)?

    Any ideas on how to split that length



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    #753
    timfromtang
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭timfromtang


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119133363#Comment_119133363

    Suitable for handles means straight grain usually, once there is going to be at least one handle in each quarter then the log is large enough, larger straight logs will of course yield even more handles, wider quarters are needed for axe handles.

    As for splitting, you can certainly go the traditional route, use a club and froe and a cleaving brake, for smaller material, and an axe and wedges for the larger logs.

    there would be little wrong with ripping down the pith with a sawmill or indeed a chainsaw and quartering logs this way too.

    Handle material is quartered to allow movement whilst drying without introducing stresses into the wood.

    tim

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    #754
    blue5000
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    Do you have any problems with woodworm in stored wood Tim? I have a bit of beech racked in a shed and a few creosote stakes left around it and on top seems to deter the moths.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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    #755
    timfromtang
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭timfromtang


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119144814#Comment_119144814

    yes problems there, i've lost some timber in the past to the pesky borers. creosote is a good tip, thanks for that.

    tim

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    #756
    SCOL
    Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭SCOL


    I was going to cut down a few trees that's affected for firewood, when they eventually die is the wood any good for burning ? does it go all wet and spongy or does it dry out ?



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    #757
    tabby aspreme
    Registered Users Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    Best cut them before they die if you want good firewood



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    #758
    blue5000
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    I have noticed a good few dying trees beside a road AFAIK there’s no need for a felling licence for road side trees, but what about dying trees away from a road or house? I think it’s better just to get rid of them now before they rot. What is the point in waiting 3 years for a felling licence?

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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    #759
    timfromtang
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭timfromtang


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509695#Comment_119509695

    I don't know about the point of waiting for a felling licence, but would say that deadwood standing has significant ecological value and provided trees present no dangers etc there is a benefit of leaving them standing.

    I would also note that if a tree presents a hazard then proceed and fell it, licence notwithstanding.

    tim

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    #760
    TheBody
    Registered Users Posts: 5,624 ✭✭✭TheBody


    Some good news for a change.

    https://twitter.com/rjabuggs/status/1567146528237576192?s=46&t=0UT1rx0YZOoa2ybv3Wk--w




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    #761
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    The greatest silence aroung Ash dieback is that nobody will admit that this was a monoculture. Why no admittance? Because it is a broadleaf and broadleaf =good, conifer =bad.

    Ash has NEVER grown naturally as a monoculture, only in groups or in mixed broadleaf. Sitka Spruce on the other hand, grows as a natural monoculture over 80% of its range, and in mixtures with other conifers, and over its long lifespan of 700 years will diversify.

    The blind planting of Ash monocultures without any understanding of its growth patterns is an indictment of the Forest Service technical staff. Given the catastrophe that it has wrought upon the industry for the last 10 years, it it high time that the Forest Service be replaced with a new Forest Authority and its senior forestry staff either fired or pensioned off.



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    #762
    accidental forester
    Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭accidental forester


    I've started removing about 30% of the 200 ash we put in 9 & 10 years ago. Out of the 200, these are well and truly dead. There's another 30% that are in fairly poor condition; some dead branches or only growth re-sprouting from the base. The question is should I bite the bullet and pull these also? The remaining 40% look okay for the time being. The plan is to replace removed ash with a mix of birch, native cheery, alder, rowan, hornbeam, and oak. I'm in agreement with cavellaria above that mono-cultures are, in general, asking for trouble.

    On the positive side, we were gifted a Root Assassin shovel some time ago, it's the ideal tool for digging out smallish trees. I stremmed around each stem first for clean access to the ground then could cut through the remaining sod and lift out the roots.



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    #763
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    Anybody know the current procedure for the Ash Dieback or RUS scheme? Can you replant with conifers? What is the grant aid? Last time I looked the Dept was not even processing them.



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    #764
    Birdnuts
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119636800#Comment_119636800

    There is a world of difference between native Sitka forests on the West Coast of the US and block planted monculture plantations of spruce here on peatland soils in terms of ecology, water quality issues etc. Monocultures in general leave such plantations vulnerable to pest issues and Sitka is no different in that respect, which is why its still being sprayed with pesticides by the likes of Coillte etc. much to the understandable dismay of local residents, NGOs etc.



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    #765
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119677608#Comment_119677608

    What a load of bollix.

    What spraying of Sitka are you generalizing about? No such spraying. Total nonsensical post.

    The planting of SS on peat is effectively a thing of the past. I suggest you drop your preconceived notions and familiarize yourself with the history of forestry in Ireland and understand the various reasons peat land was planted. There are several reasons and it now happens where peat depth is less than 50cm. Hindsight is wonderful. The dreck that you and your ilk spread is toxic. Khamer!

    Sure your name shouldn't be Birdbrain?



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    #766
    funkey_monkey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,245 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Sure your name shouldn't be Birdbrain?

    No need for that sort of childish reply. Attack the post not the poster.



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    #767
    Birdnuts
    Registered Users Posts: 9,737 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680271#Comment_119680271

    Typically hurling childish insults like that smacks of someone whose agenda and BS have been outed - the likes of the Woodland league have highlighted the ongoing issues with poor forestry practices in this country, as has the EPA in terms of the of the detrimental affects via block planting of alien spruce has had on water quality in many upland catchments. I also suggest you get out more cos most folks who visit Coillte, Vulture fund etc. forests in recent years would be very familiar with warning signs advising the public not to gather wild fruit, mushrooms etc. due to applications of pesticides on these plantations



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    #768
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682593#Comment_119682593

    Loaded with prejudice and preconceived ideas.

    For the record, the only spraying I am aware of is for pine weevil. Nothing else.

    Now I happen to believe that indeed we need pine weevil protection, but that spraying is not the route to go. One cannot guarantee precise targeting of the tree. Best is to replant a clearfell area with large i.e minimum 50cm trees, which have been dipped in the pesticide. There is little if any runoff and no contamination of surrounding vegetation. Trees should also be planted in March April to ensure that the pesticide is available for the first weevil emergence. It works.

    The Woodland League...AKA The Fairy Council of Ireland. This organization could do with running a spell-check on its website. I wonder how many of the people involved earn a living suckling at the breast of the Irish State. Quite something else when you make your own income.

    I get out alot...more than you'll ever know and I'll eat you for breakfast and spit you out when it comes to discussing forestry. Go teach your granny to suck eggs.

    catwe.jpg

    Is this your good self? Or a member of the Fairy Council?



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    #769
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Cavellaria you have been given a warning for personal abuse.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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    #770
    timfromtang
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭timfromtang


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683948#Comment_119683948

    howdy,

    as much pain is added to the world when offense is taken as when it is given

    perhaps the ash dieback thread is not the place for this?

    tim

    www.youtube.com/c/timfromtang

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    #771
    ppn
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119636800#Comment_119636800

    Well said. Buffoonery of the highest order, on any number of issues.



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    #772
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Well how are growers feeling after today's 5k per ha announcement?

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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    #773
    Accidentally
    Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭Accidentally


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122083005#Comment_122083005

    I'll wait for the terms and conditions before I get too excited.



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    #774
    Good loser
    Registered Users Posts: 3,203 ✭✭✭Good loser


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122083005#Comment_122083005

    Not impressed. Growers should be allowed to abandon the forestry enterprise if it is their preference. As a failure.



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    #775
    AfricaTwin
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    By the time all the trees are cleared, drains cleaned, brash tidied etc, I can't see a few bob left in the ash scheme. A few bob from firewood maybe?

    ( Real ) Inflation will eat into the climate payment as it's paid over number of years.

    20 years in, forestry has been a disaster for us.



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    #776
    redbeaard
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭redbeaard


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122083005#Comment_122083005

    I was initially happy. I have a roughly 10Ha plantation with 80/20 mix spruce to various hardwoods with ash making up 1Ha. Whatever grant was there would be enough so that I could afford to do the necessary work. Then today I see this clause "Ash planted as a component of additional broadleaved planting in conifer plots is not eligible for
    the Scheme."

    So I don't qualify. Along with the vast majority of forest owners. I know 1Ha is nothing compared to a full ash plantation but how many Ha's of full plantations are there compared to plantations like mine? I really think the Dept just excluded us because they couldn't handle the volume of paperwork.


    I just can't afford this without the grant. I also have a good bit of roadside with a load of very old ash trees that need removal, there are 5 already dangerous looking that I will just about be able to manage myself. I just don't have the time, or the money, to do half of what needs doing.



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