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Iranian Women Protest and Burn Headscarves

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  • Registered Users Posts: 34,648 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    If they don't give a sh!t about what the UN says about enriching uranium, why would they give a sh!t about what the UN says about women's rights?

    The Irish government completely ignored the criticism we got from the UN about women's rights for decades.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 801 ✭✭✭Relax brah


    You wouldn’t get Christian’s blowing themselves up either in the name of god



  • Registered Users Posts: 801 ✭✭✭Relax brah


    The more press it gets the more pressure they come under - not wearing a tinfoil hat here but look at the Russia/Ukraine conflict. It’s been going on years, now the press then their eyes to it everyone is interested.

    Similar with issues in iran, press should continue to push it



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,143 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Indeed and yet in Ireland, the majority of the most loyal subjects are elderly women. Odd one.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭hawley


    This is more about Kurdish independence than women wearing a hijab. Iranian government has massively clamped down on Kurdish militants over the past week.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Islam is still only 500 years old

    Really? And there was me thinking it began with Mohammed's journey from Mecca to Medina back in 622AD.

    That said, Islam and Xtianity are very similar. The main difference is that with industrialisation in the 19th century European women began working outside the home - requiring a degree of independence, which was gradually leveraged to where we are now. As a result, we are (most thankfully) some way ahead of Islam today. Mind you fundamentalist Xtianity in the US (and NI) gives Islam a run for its money in many ways, although not so much in relation to women's rights!



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Iran was a totally different place pre nut jobs. Women wore dresses and moved about freely. People forget some of these places were pretty liberal until the nut jobs took over. Iraq for all the issues was a bastion in that region.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,648 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    No, they just poison hundreds of men, women and children like Jim Jones, or rape them then burn them to death like David Koresh.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,648 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The reason everybody is interested is because Russia invaded Ukraine.

    FFS like 🙄

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭donaghs




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭donaghs


    I'd see a difference between tiny cults, and countries with millions of people, led by a "religious" government. The root of the problem is the same. Perhaps some religions (in general) mature more over time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Remind me, what countries did Jim Jones and Koresh run?

    And you have the temerity to type FFS like you were making some sort of valid point 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,648 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Look up "quiverfull" and "purity ball" (just for starters) and get back to us.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,648 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You're damn right the root of the problem is the same.

    These guys weren't powerful enough to take over a country so they tried to create their own tiny "countries". It's not because they were morally superior in any way to the likes of the mullahs in Iran, or the Taliban - just lacking the support and firepower.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭donaghs


    Just looked them up, yet more tiny fringe groups within Christianity. So what's your point exactly?

    Quite different from the fact that variations on headscarves/veils etc are the norm in Islam, currently. Or the approximately 40,000 people from about 80 different countries who flocked to join ISIS in Syria.

    I'm not saying Islam is bad. Just that (in a very general sense) its in an angrier, more conservative phase right now than what's left of Christinity in the world. This could change over the decades, or century. Saudi oil money had a big role in rolling back the tide of modernity for many Sunni Muslims.

    Iran is a different case, but clearly from the ongoing protests you can see the desire for reform from large numbers of people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,091 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Unfortunately there's very little that international pressure can do to halt this kind of thing, when it has widespread support amongst the Iranian people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    When you say "powerful" enough, I suppose you mean that they were only headbangers who managed to convince a small group of gullible people to form a cult as opposed to being the dominant culture across a large swathe of the planet.

    Still good to see that you're commited to the analogy regardless of how obviosuly **** it is. Kudos.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    I've often heard that virginity is so highly prized among the fundamentalists in the Bible belt that premarital relations involve everything but penetrative sex.

    If true, it makes an utter mockery of the whole idea; essentially trains young women (and their male counterparts) to engage in deception while respecting the letter of the law. Someone used to engaging in this type of deception in one area of their life will not find it difficult to transfer this type of thought process to other aspects of their lives.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,648 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Penetrative sex? Look up "god's loophole".

    You're really very naive in the ways of Xtian fundies!

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,635 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,635 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    No but groups like the CIA meddle in local issue to insure "their guy" is in charge which often leads to these kinds of nutbags getting power.

    I'm just speaking in general not saying that's definitely the case in Iran currently.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,131 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    threads merged



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,106 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Hate seeing this as it's a great country and even kept in touch with couple of people from my time there. Sadly I don't see much changing anytime soon and the evil will win out here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,782 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    She was a Kurdish woman and alot of the Kurds are not as strict on Islam and adherence to it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    As predicted, the Archbishop of Tehran pins it on CIA men wearing stick-on moustaches and Fez hats, ably assisted by the Mossad and their Jewish mind ray-guns.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63118637



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Superb work by the BBC showing the depth and range of the protests against the Dictatorship:




  • Registered Users Posts: 480 ✭✭getoutadodge


    "And how women were revered in pagan times, the religious must have seen women as a threat"

    Lol...cue a bar of "this is the dawning of the age of aquarius"

    The hippies havent gone away you know.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The one that always surprises me is that women are often the gatekeepers and enforcers of those strict forms from those religions. The nuns and women in the community, were often the ones who abused other women because they didn't conform or obey religious customs. No different with Islam, where with ISIS, some of the biggest fanatics were women.

    Religion has always used women as a tool to inflict more control over all it's followers (both sexes), through sex, and/or guilt. Women come off the worst from that, but it would never have lasted as long as it did without the heaps of women throughout the ages who sought to support such traditions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    No in the past Pagan societies had pretty much equal rights from rulers to priestess. They had the most equal societies. Men and women fought in wars. I'm not talking about Neo pagan nonsense that was formed in the UK under hippies wanting to be naked and ride.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 480 ✭✭getoutadodge


    "No in the past Pagan societies had pretty much equal rights from rulers to priestess. They had the most equal societies. Men and women fought in wars. I'm not talking about Neo pagan nonsense that was formed in the UK under hippies wanting to be naked and ride."

    So what constitutes "pagan"? Aztec, Viking, Pre Roman Celts, Parthians, Mongols, North American Indians, Buganda, Classical Athenian, Carthage ? I think you'll find in all those listed that women had a very low status on a par with livestock Hollywood is not history. The theory that way back in prehistory there was some golden age when women ruled the roost is as nonsensical as the noble savage concept. Life was short, violent and brutal and might made right. Notice how there's no forced conscription of women by Ukraine or Russia in their war. Reality bites.



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