Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

Absolutely no clue as to what the plot of the film is going to be.

I doubt the Wakandans have such rules that might stop Shuri being next in line, given that their God Bast is female, the prominence of the Dora Milage, women like Nakia etc.

However, we saw in BP1 that even though T'Challa was already the Panther, he had to be stripped of the powers and face anyone the leaders of the 5 tribes put forward to challenge for the throne and therefore the right to be Black Panther. If T'Challa is dead and Shuri is next in line, any of the tribes could challenge for the throne, and let's face it, they'd kick the sh*t out of her.

So, do they not challenge out of respect to T'Challa and Angela Bassett's character? Has Killmonger burning all the heart-shaped herbs meant they're unable to make a new Black Panther (and therefore part of the film is about trying to find a way to do so)?

I'd definitely rather Nakia become the new Black Panther rather than Shuri. I know Shuri does it in the comics but her character from the first film really doesn't lend herself to becoming the type of character Black Panther should be.

So looks like with T'challa dead, other countries will try to invade and take over

What was the general consensus on here about the 1st film?

I stopped watching it after about 35min. Had heard rave reviews about it beforehand, but honestly couldn't see what the appeal was. Thought it was rubbish.

So as you'd guess, installment number 2 won't be for me.

Regarding the water tribe along with Namor, I wonder if they will have them be Atlanteans who can breath underwater or have them be another Tribe in Wakanda. I'm guessing Namor and his tribe show up so he can be king

Same as yourself I'm hoping for Nakia - much more suitable character than Shuri in-world. And from a film/marketing perspective, she's a much more bankable star to have in the suit too - Lupita Nyong'o has major movie-star clout, and someone you'd have actively cast as a superhero anyway, where Letitia Wright just isn't (not to mentioned all the trouble Marvel had with her anti-vax stance!)

I'd imagine Atlantis as a concept is pretty open as far as rights go - in that in and of itself (like the likes of New York, or Paris) it's public domain. Where issues might come in is if in they infringe on (or get too close to) specific uses/depictions of Atlantis that were invented for Aquaman. They should be ok as long as they specifically stick with stuff that they already have precedent with via their own comics, and avoid ideas that look too close to AM if possible.

(As an example, the original Little Shop of Horrors is public domain now, so it's fair game for adaptation - however any tweaks to the story that resemble the changes made for the 1986 version are totally off limits)

I think the actress who plays Shuri is a great actress, her performance in an episode of Black Mirror was great from what I remember. Her performance in BP1 was fantastic too. If they make her the new Queen/Black Panther, it'll be down to how they evolve her character from BP1 to one who is more serious and has that gravitas. Obviously T'Challa's death would be a huge part of that, but they really need to make it work.

As for Angela Bassett saying her whole family is gone, that could be a huge misdirect (which Marvel does in a lot of their trailers). I'd say it's more likely that, as with BP1 where T'Challa loses against Killmonger and is thrown off the waterfall, something will happen to Shuri to make people believe she's dead, before she returns as Black Panther. I'd guess they're setting it up that Angela Bassett takes over as Queen and Shuri just becomes the new Black Panther rather than becoming Queen as well. After all, in Civil War, T'Chaka was King but T'Challa was Black Panther. That would at least help with Shuri's character not having to have the gravitas of being a Queen, but can just focus on the role of Black Panther.

One of the tribes of Wakanda is called the River Tribe, and from numerous shots in BP1 and Infinity War when they're flying to Wakanda, there are pretty substantial lakes, waterfalls and a large river going through Wakanda. They may be land-locked, but I'm sure the Altanteans would have no trouble getting there.

But it seems most like the reason for the war is T'Challa's death, leaving Wakanda without either a King or a Black Panther (unlike in BP1 where T'Challa was already Black Panther even when his father died), so I guess Atlantis saw this as their time to strike for whatever reason (just the vibranium or possibly something more).

What's to say the scene where she says her family is gone is actually set between Infinity War and Endgame since Tchalla and Shuri were both snapped . It could be a flashback

Michaela Coel is playing Aneka

I really hope we don't need a moderator warning for racism in this thread.

With the reveal about Ms Marvel in the finale and Namor known as The First Mutant at one point, I wonder if he will be a mutant here too

I think the best rule with trailers for films you already intend to see, is to only watch the first one, and no more. The first one always gives a good taste of the tone, without any real spoilers at all. After that, with each one, you're definitely going to see things you wish you didn't.

(This does mean having to do a bit of a "lalala I'm not listening!" in the cinema before other movies at times though!)

(Taking the non-spoiler bit out of your post)

"Is Namor Aquaman lite?"

It's actually kinda the other way round. Namor was created about 2 or 3 years before Aquaman, so Aquaman is DC's version of Namor rather than Namor being Marvel's version of Aquaman.

Slaaaaaaaaaaaade

Yeah, or "First Spiderman trailer shows [SPOILER] in action" with a picture of Iron Man underneath.

Gee.... I wonder who the spoiler refers to...

In fairness to Marvel they do go out of their way to hide or change things in trailers as much as they can, to not give the game away completely. Hulk and Thor in Endgame for example took me completely by surprise, and certain characters were edited out of some action shots in the trailer for Spiderman No Way Home.

But then when some news sites trawl through concept art, toy lines, and really zoomed-in photos of shooting, and constantly regurgite articles about them, it's hard not to see spoilers these days.

I thought it was known since the start that she would be showing up here first before her own show

Seems lego toys and funko pop are revealing the new black panther already unless a strategic ploy but.. It appears to be shuri as expected which is true to the comics but still would be disappointing

A near 3 hour runtime by all accounts.

what you mean? outside the country of wakanda?