FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

Even The Journal is covering it.

The comments look a bit negative. Wonder if the FFers will remove him as leader? The attendance figures for the Ard Fheis are supposed to be down on previous years according to the Irish Mirror a few days ago.

Regards...jmcc

Good article.

"The coalescing of FF-FG in Government since 2020 has only solidified the public’s perception that the two parties are one and the same, they added."

The Irish language also a higher priority than 'Strong Public Services'. That wont fly in a recession.

"Fianna Fáilers have for a long time known that if they fail to make progress with the housing crisis, it is game over for the party. "

"Those within the party say it will take more than a few social media classes to get the party’s message across. Sorting out the problems within is simply the first step."

That's for sure. The next couple of years will be chaotic.

Short sighted budget. Completely dependent on MNC taxes too. Let's see how next year's budget compares. The tech stocks are in freefall so that bonanza will end.

The FFG inspired massive national debt has left us completely hamstrung for options as we enter stormy economic waters.

And yet health and housing are still an unmitigated DISASTER.

But at least Bertie will be president.

Back on ignore.

*Plonk*

Is it just me or does your man Darragh O'Brien look like Johnny Vegas??

A big 20 chin bag of Malahide shite.

The most houses built in history of the state. 50,000 houses.

How many. Sorry?

How many? Sorry?

Answer the question.

Sinn Fein, Independents, PBP>

So how many?

10 or something.

I would not be too sure on Martin either going voluntarily or being pushed.

I get they feeling that he is not that popular within the party and has not been for some time. Many appreciated after the banking crisis that he saved them from oblivion and did not wish to see him as the first FF leader to break with tradition to not become Taoiseach. There is also a tradition in FF as far as I know, but I may be incorrect, that any leader of FF who stepped down as Taoiseach also stepped down as leader of the party. It will be interesting to see within the parliamentary party what the reaction will be if he does not do so and give a new leader time before the next GE.

If the rumours of him looking for the Foreign Affairs post while remaining on as leader and Tanaiste are true I would not see that endearing him to many. I could see it being looked at as a vehicle for his own aspirations for a future post with the E.U., U.N. or a future run for the Phoenix Park.

Neither would I see this latest budget gaining him much universal praise. Give away budgets are those that leave people with more money in their pockets. That is not what this latest one is. People will still end up with less in those pockets. While this energy crisis is partly the reason for that, there are many, especially among the traditional FF rural based electorate, that would see FF and Martin, especially as leader, also hitting them in the pocket.

The latest Sindo/ Ireland Thinks poll shows no Budget Bounce.

SF: 37% (+1)

FG: 21%

FF: 17% (+1)

PBP/S: 4% (-1)

GP: 4% (+2)

SD: 3% (-1)

LAB: 3%

AON: 3% +/- 2 Meán Fómh/Sept 2022 Via

@ireland_thinks / @TheSundayIndo

Deir Fómh/Oct 2022 S: 1,254

FFG may have been hoping for a Budget Bounce but it has not shown up in this poll. The movements are all within the Margin of Error but with FF not getting a bounce, the ice beneath Martin is getting thinner.

Regards...jmcc

I posted a few days ago that I didn't expect there to be a bounce, at best, they have avoided any mis-steps.

It really is going to come down to execution, get builds completed, get things like childcare costs organised and reduced, use the windfall from the energy companies to solve short term pains which makes the opinion polls a long slog.

We may see a bit of FG upswing after the Taoiseach rotates, but I doubt it will be much (and will be interesting who tries to take credit for the windfall).

Expect away. They will need a miracle 😂

Leo on the way to piss the electorate off even more.

I can imagine the slogan in GE.Next...."We ruined housing and health and crippled you with debt but we gave you a few quid towards the ESB bill in 2022. Vote the power swap."

I'm not sure that the handover will see a rise in support for FG. Its fans in the Sindo/Indo will be doing their bit to promote FG but those energy bills are going to damage any prospects for a boost. Talking down expectations of a Budget Bounce is very much an excuse at this stage. Most of the energy companies have put up their prices and will probably keep trying to increase them. SF is going to use this and is also going with a motion on the bricks issue. AS for FFG not making many missteps, look at its past record with Troy Story. Varadkar got slapped down by McGrath over the Finance position and it looks like someone in FF has decided that Martin's craven grovelling to Varadkar and FG is a thing of the past. If FG tries to hold on to positions that FFers want, it will cause serious problems for the longevity of the FFG government.

While the Sindo/Ireland Thinks polling methodology is generally unfavourable to FF, the RedC poll is yet to come. FFers seem to like the RedC poll if not its results. B&A is more favourable to FF due to its face to face polling. What should be worrying FF is that the 17% is almost becoming a constant across different polls. I think that there's an Irish Times/Ipsos poll due as well. If that's bad for FF then the gloves will come off in FF. FFG had better be praying for a mild Winter because energy bills are going to be the new Water Tax.

Regards...jmcc

You really do get lost in the polls. There is no point in anyone looking at them at the moment, certainly not to the extent of examining and comparing their methodologies. The time for polls will be when an election has been called.

A portion of the SF support includes people who are angry at the moment. As an emotion, it is difficult to keep anger up for a long period of time, and often, when reflecting, anger fades. That is why mid-term polls, based on emotional anger are not a good long-term guide to elections that are far away.

Seán Fleming says its right that the construction industry should make a contribution to mica redress. Then goes on to say that the cost will be passed on to consumers

Affects a lot more people than first time buyers as pointed out by Fitzmaurice on the show

Why do you think it should be funded by consumers?

Ultimately the levy won’t be funding the mica redress scheme if the target is to bring in €80m a year.