Tesla Model 3 - V3.0

AndyBoBandy · 29-09-2022 2:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680212#Comment_119680212

Anyone here know a 491km route downhill so i can get 106 wh/km.....................

Would you believe me if I said I've driven the below route on many occasions (in summer) and kept the consumption below 105wh/km (in a Fremont SR+)

mc2022B2TF · 29-09-2022 2:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680449#Comment_119680449

Yes i would.

Best I've seen on a trip in mine was 118 wh/km but that was a round trip so allowed for elevation both ways - i couldn't go one way and teleport the car back home for me. But that really is very very slow and careful driving.

What size is the battery pack in the FM SR+? I presume smaller and more importantly lighter so i'm assuming capable of better efficiency. So unless you can do it in a RWD 60.5kWh pack, i don't want to know lol

mc2022B2TF · 29-09-2022 2:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680347#Comment_119680347

Yes, what i was thinking. Buffer seems set and comes off the nominal full pack. So if the nominal full pack degrades then so does your usable portion. And with a higher buffer your usable battery will actually degrade MORE the bigger buffer you have. Which is obviously a bad thing.

jusmeig · 29-09-2022 2:51pm

Took the recommendation from someone on this forum to visit Padraic/John in Flawless Detailing, very impressed with the job.

The guys were excellent, and did PPF on front, A pillars, rocker panels, lower doors and cargo area, coating the lot in Xpel fusion ceramic.

I got a call from Padraic with videos of some defect contamination he found on the passenger side, tiny specs all along the front of the car. He was able to polish them out to the point I could not see them. I guess it will never be this clean again :D

reni10 · 29-09-2022 3:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680526#Comment_119680526

You should post your findings over here and ask for others to verify as there would be a good few more people over there to do the test you are looking for: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-3-sr-lfp-battery-range-degradation-etc-discussion.244385/page-40

innrain · 29-09-2022 3:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680365#Comment_119680365

Looking forward for these alternate routes.

eamondunphy · 29-09-2022 5:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680740#Comment_119680740

Looks great would you mind pm me the price please, looking to getting it done on my model 3 soon

wassie · 29-09-2022 6:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119676093#Comment_119676093

There was also a very short lived 428km WLTP version here which was a Fremont SR+ with original CATL battery and the heat pump as well as the interior refresh

Thats me! Took delivery in Dec 2020 and just tipped over 70,000km this week.

No idea of how my battery health is. All I know is that I charge my battery strictly in accordance with the guidelines in the owners manual. All reports seem to indicate if I keep doing that then I should be in good shape for some time to come.

I am finding all this talk of useable battery & buffers highly amusing. I appreciate the concerns are genuine and not mocking them. But for me given the amount of AC & DC charging I do every week on my 50kW battery, I would wreck my head pretty quickly if I was worried about that missing 5%.

Paint protection is also something that would be wasted on me. No "ceramic" coat is going to protect my bonnet from a stray rock at 120kmh. Just did my annual clay bar and acrylic glaze in prep for winter on the weekend and its looking great - so easy bringing the white back to life.

All I know is the M3 is the best car I've every driven and takes a lot of that fatigue out of distance driving for me. And supercharging is the cream on top!

Gumbo · 29-09-2022 8:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680740#Comment_119680740

The etching looked like someone rubbed off dirt spots. I seen the photos of it.

It further highlights the soft Tesla Paint. I think it was me that recommended Padraic :)

Gumbo · 29-09-2022 8:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119681704#Comment_119681704

Ceramic Coating won't protect against chips, but a front end PPF would if you do big motorway mileage.

Eireann81 · 29-09-2022 9:22pm

@mc2022B2TF Here are a few pics from a 200km journey taken today. RWD Model 3 picked up earlier this month.

reni10 · 29-09-2022 10:07pm

So 27kwh at 50% which seems about right with probably the HVAC using 1-2kwh for a journey that length so you are looking at about 56-58kwh usable…

Eireann81 · 29-09-2022 10:28pm

It's still hard to tell... while at 50%, it changed from 26kwh to 27kwh, which is why I added both pics at 50%. I was not using lights or A/C. I was listening to Spotify and had the driver's heated seat on.

Gumbo · 29-09-2022 10:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682583#Comment_119682583

Both of those use the 12v with minimal draw from the HV.

Had you got the air fans off completely?

reni10 · 29-09-2022 10:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682583#Comment_119682583

Could the new processor in the infotainment system be running 1-2kwh then for that journey?

Tesla did say that this new chip would use additional energy so maybe this is what we are seeing…

Eireann81 · 29-09-2022 10:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682632#Comment_119682632

Fan was running on low speed - I think it was set to 2.

mc2022B2TF · 29-09-2022 11:11pm

@Eireann81

Astonishing pics. I've never ever at any stage been able to extrapolate past 52kWh

Yet you are showing at your 75% a minimum of 56kWh

The plot thickens as the multiple pics you have shown clearly indicate a usable battery of at least 56kwh but more than likely of 57+

Thank you so much for posting these. I'll be opening another query with tesla and demanding some proper answers on this.

I will keep you all updated for those interested!

mc2022B2TF · 29-09-2022 11:17pm

At 66% u had used 19kWh representing 57kWh.

Mad.

Mike2006 · 30-09-2022 8:01am

Capacity.pdf

OK, attached is where I am at after 181kms. I will do the final one this evening when I get home - I should have ~250kms up by then and I estimate a level of battery at ~33%.

My lights would have been on for the 2 morning trips, heated seat and steering wheel for a part of the morning trip. A/C off but fan on speed 3. Also, when I got into the car this morning it was not cold so I suspect that the heating came on this morning even though I did not have a departure set on the Tesla App?? Car dropped between 1% overnight.

Mike

LeeroyJ. · 30-09-2022 9:27am

Anyone know what the cost of supercharging is now post increase? Haven't been to a station since receiving the mail.

innrain · 30-09-2022 9:32am

car dropped between 1% overnight.

That's why you need to have a continuous drive when taking the measurement. That 1% which can be anything from .5%- 1.4% it is going to screw your results as it is not accounted on the display.

Somewhere on this thread I posted a screenshot of scan my Tesla app Totals. I'll try to find it. There are 2 figures which are not accounted on the trip meters. Recuperated energy which for me stands at around 32% of the total and stationary energy which is used while of course not moving. One can say that recoup is there because of the average consumption but it would be nice to see it separately nevertheless. The energy use while parked is substantial for me as I use sentry most of the time, I wait for the kids which don't know what punctuality is or I prefer to stay in the car instead of crowd the likes of Kildare village, I make hours long zoom calls from the car with AC blasting. Even after you park the car, the car itself will keep running some components to cool down the battery in a controlled manner. All these are not on the display as they are not part of the trip.

LeeroyJ. · 30-09-2022 9:32am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680740#Comment_119680740

What was the cost? I've been considering getting paint protection as well.

innrain · 30-09-2022 9:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683475#Comment_119683475

High 63c/kWh

2 days ago at Sandyford. Started with 235kW and left when dropped below 140kW. Left after 7 minutes, average charging power 163kW

mc2022B2TF · 30-09-2022 10:06am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683233#Comment_119683233

Thank you.

Unfortunately those stats are going to be difficult to interpret as they are all separate journeys - i always find that over smaller separate journeys you will lose more energy due to a number of factors.

In the case of Eireann's test you can see it was one continuous drive, which is the most accurate test. Even being conservative at the end of the trip there was a used energy of 54kWh which pretty much proves that car is not capped with such a large buffer as mine and others.

wassie · 30-09-2022 10:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119682106#Comment_119682106

I still couldnt justify the outlay. A quality respray of the front bumper can be had for €400-450 and the bonnet is fine apart from a couple of rock hits.

I appreciate paint protection systems can be useful for those who maintain their cars to a high standard with low miles, but as a daily driver with reasonably high mileage the ridiculous cost far outweighs any benefit. I use Klasse, which as an acrylic sealant does me fine for 12 months.

The bottom side rails of my car have taken a complete hammering which again no paint protection treatment would help. I also have the mudguard extensions on the from wheel, which has stopped the front beening worse than what it is.

jusmeig · 30-09-2022 10:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683502#Comment_119683502

DM sent

MightyMunster · 30-09-2022 11:22am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683475#Comment_119683475

Just click on a supercharger on the car map and it shows the price

slave1 · 30-09-2022 11:32am

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I got my rear window tint there and enquired about ppf, I can't remember exactly but that stuff is very very expensive, from memory a straight rectangular piece for the luggage area was €180. This is not because of Flawless themselves, it's because ppf is very very expensive.

In other news i've a few chips already gone from my bonnet and down to bare metal, I had blemishes upon pickup that Sandyford buffed out but for some strange reason they all came back over the last few weeks which I can't get over and will log via the app when I get around to it

Gumbo · 30-09-2022 3:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119683775#Comment_119683775

I don’t have PPF myself either.

I do have aftermarket mudflaps. The oem ones are crap.

reni10 · 30-09-2022 4:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119685435#Comment_119685435

Do you find these help with stone chippings and where did you get them?

Gumbo · 30-09-2022 5:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119685626#Comment_119685626

Fingers crossed yes.

Ali Express. The same generic ones that are on Amazon, greendrive, RPM etc

Seurat · 01-10-2022 4:41am

Looking into buying the M3 SR or rear wheel drive as it now called

wondering at today’s weather (12-15) with wife and two kids in the car would I be able to eek out 400km on motorway? If so what speed would I be looking at?

If not what range(ish) at 120km/hr would I get?

The 10k for the LR is too steep for me

MightyMunster · 01-10-2022 6:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119687792#Comment_119687792

I'd say no, maybe in summer if you drive at 100 but not in winter. Presume it's a roundtrip as not too many 400km motorways in Ireland 😁

1 quick toilet/coffee break would do unless you have destination charging.

If there's a supercharger on the route means chances of having to queue are very low

Seurat · 01-10-2022 6:46am

Yeah I think because I dont have an ev I am overthinking things.

And I presume more and more chargers will be lined out in the coming short to mid term and the reliability will increase.

tbf I would be stopping each way on that round trip so two chances to top up

MightyMunster · 01-10-2022 7:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119687831#Comment_119687831

Have a look at abetterrouteplanner (app or website) you can put in the car, change weather etc to see how different trips look. The main motorway routes (except M9) are well served but would always use the supercharger if there was a choice as plenty of stories of people queuing for an hour at Ecars chargers.

JOL1 · 01-10-2022 10:35am

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It's not unusual (for those who have yet to make the leap to EV) to focus on such issues but for what it's worth, it's not likely that you will be making too many 400km round trip journeys. All it means is that if you are contemplating such a journey a little planning may be needed to make sure you are charged 100% before you set off and then to incorporate an appropriate stop (to top up). This should not be a problem and as MightyMunster says if it is a Tesla SUC a 15 minute stop should allow you take on approx 200 kms. If not a Tesla site more and more charge sites are being rolled out but perhaps the speed of charging will not be as quick.

And for the other 364 days of the year you are stress free!

comerla · 01-10-2022 11:52am

My wife had to do a round trip from Cork to Wicklow in our new SR+. She had to stop twice - her first time using public chargers.

the first one was at M14 ESB charger - she hit that with 40% charge. The setup for ESB e-cars is not good. You have to pre-pay your account so she put in €50. She hadn’t received the physical card from ESB. Then the charger wouldn’t connect to her phone so it took her 20 minutes to realise what was going on. Luckily a nice lady offered to pay for her charge (she fixed her up with Revolut). It took her an hour to add the extra 60%.

My experience first time with Ionity was way more seamless, faster and no prepayment. ESB still have her money btw.

Coming back down she filled 50% at tesla supercharge Ballacolla in 25 minutes. Worked seamlessly.

MightyMunster · 01-10-2022 12:21pm

Remember no point topping up to 100% if you only need 60 or 70 to get home. Also charging at a much lower SOC is quicker e.g. 10-60% will be much faster than 50-100%

If she was at 40% in Mayfield might have been better to stop in Sandyford if going via M50.

On routes with supercharging just put in the full round trip and it'll work out the charging stops for you

bilasy · 01-10-2022 12:24pm

Query for someone who is familiar with ID3 as well as Tesla M3, in the ID3 if you drive on D, there is always a drag period before the speed drops down gradually, in z M3 I don’t seem to find driving mode as the D, is there is no drag in the Tesla ??

eagerv · 01-10-2022 1:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119688511#Comment_119688511

I came from an ID.3 to a Model 3. Not sure if I understand what you mean by drag.

With the ID.3 in D it is basically just freewheeling, unless you come up behind another car, junction, speed limit etc where it will apply regen smoothly as needed when you lift off the accelerator pedal.

With the new Model 3 RWD there is only one regen level, which is quite strong. Basically one pedal driving if you have creep turned off. (Allows car to come to a complete stop). I am used to it at this stage, but I liked the VW auto regen system.

bilasy · 01-10-2022 1:43pm

I think that answers my query , I was under the false impression that all EV have D/B drive modes( under different names…etc) and yes gradually I’m getting used to it

Redfox25 · 01-10-2022 1:50pm

Newbie question on charging. Pulled in to a 50kw charger at circa 60%.Had been driving for 20 mins prior to this.

Charge started no problem. Came back 25 mins later to 8kw added to car.

Seems a bit slow? Or just because battery soc was already high ish?

...Ghost... · 01-10-2022 1:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119688823#Comment_119688823

Sounds like you connected to a 22kW charger rather than the larger CCS.

Redfox25 · 01-10-2022 2:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119688862#Comment_119688862

That's what I thought too till I checked the ecars app.

No one was on the chademo charger so power shouldn't have been split between two cars.

It's odd

eagerv · 01-10-2022 2:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119688890#Comment_119688890

It's slow alright, but often chargers aren't working as they should. Nest time wait a few moments till car ramps up properly then check the car screen to see the charging power (kW). Should be 40kW + on that machine.

Edit, I see you were at 60% when starting, but still should be faster than you got. I have seen 40kW at 90% on the RWD.

Redfox25 · 01-10-2022 3:33pm

Its grand, will check next time and keep an eye on it on my phone.

Luckily I had enough to continue on up the road so was grand.

In the 25 mins I was away, I went from a choice of 3 chargers to a queue building with all 3 in use.

Gumbo · 01-10-2022 4:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119688405#Comment_119688405

Ecars have a bill pay option too. Not just PAYG.

40-100% is wasted time.

Also, i Assume new RWD as SR+ no longer available.

JOL1 · 01-10-2022 8:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119688783#Comment_119688783

We have a MOD3 and an ID3 (2 EV family) . You have figured it ourtnow. The ID has two modes (D&B). D is normal driving and taking foot of accelerator is like any ice car. B is VW's optioo to trigger regen and it is much more gentle than Tesla regen. Personally I noticed the difference when i got the MODEL 3 first but now I much prefer the Tesla set up which for 90% of driving is one pedal driving and never need the brake.

I think you will get to like it

mc2022B2TF · 01-10-2022 9:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119680169#Comment_119680169

@drver1 any chance of sharing what u were invoiced for? Even in a DM

ADSLUSER · 02-10-2022 2:33pm

Any thoughts on how good the paint job is on Teslas these days? Would you use an auto car wash or stick with hand wash? Saw two Teslas queuing up in an auto car wash, using the soft bristle types the other day.

Tesla Model 3 - V3.0

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