Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil - Home heating

HVO is the way to go. Ireland is all talk no action on alternative fuels.

In UK you'd have no trouble getting HVO

Markey, check out firebird HVO trials on Facebook, we're not at the stage of regular domestic supply of HVO for oil heating yet, neither is the UK , but it's definitely showing good potential for the future, we're actually one of the leading countries that plans ahead for alternative fuels, despite misinformation.

Great, finally a bit of an alternative to feckin heatpumps

have a read here not the silver bullet you think

Had the home heating oil filled on Friday and had a great discussion with the delivery chap. Tria (City Oil) Cork are now delivering HVO. A number of people are already using it after minor conversions on their oil burners in order to get the pressure / mix right. Also, it would seem HVO can be used in diesel engine cars with no conversion needed. Just fill and go. Some reports that its better for the car even seeing increased efficiency and range

There is hardly much point at the moment in converting or getting a new one of these type of boilers……first or second post indicated that the fuel is nearly double that of kerosene and not available yet to be sold to domestic customers….add in also the doubts about its sustainability and you may not be saving the planet at all if ya make the switch…?

Firebirds service men after training on HVO

On the above, the link was https://tria.ie/gdplus/. I was dropping to show that Tria Oil, who I mentioned in my previous post, number 14, were now doing HVO in Cork.

Now, after clarifying that….

I called Pat directly. Very interesting stuff. €125 for the conversion of on a firebird oil burner. Burns more efficiently with 90% less CO2 and a huge reduction in other harmful particulates (need to get the numbers on those).

I'm kinda sold lads. I have 950 litres of kerosene for the winter and I can see myself converting to this stuff come winter 2023 one I run that dry.

Tria Oil are lobbying hard on this stuff. They are talking about it as a transition / replacement fuel rather than what I called a silver bullet but I am absolutely confused as to why this stuff isn't a bigger talking point. More electric cars and heat pumps (that are going to cost millions if not billions in grants) on the grid that is already struggling doesn't make sense....

Today Kerosene is about 1.30 a liter. HVO from Tria is 1.28.....

This is exactly what I am thinking. We are going to spend millions if not billions in tax payer money to fund A2W and massively expensive retrofitting upgrade. I am for being geener and reducing emissions but surely trying to big bang this not the right approach. 

Interesting enough, I’ve dug a bit deeper the last 24 hours. A number of large commercial fleets are already using HVO like DPD. Dublin bus (to be mostly funded by tax payers?) is moving to hybrid / hydrogen busses in the coming years. About 300k a pop per new bus. That existing fleet could switch to HVO in the morning and have an instant reduction in CO2 and I would nearly argue that has a greater impact on emissions alone when not buying a fleet of new busses. To me it stinks of big contracts and money leaving the county on vehicles and equipment (A2W). The only Irishman getting paid here is the lad doing the contract work. The vast majority of this money is not staying in the country

I am going to hammer any "Green" TD or councillor that knocks on my door. There isn't a single on street EV charger on the North side of Cork City

to produce 950 litres you would need to grow two acres of rapeseed there are an estimated 75 0,000 homes in Ireland who use oil heating so that would be 1.5 million acres of rapeseed just for 1000ltrs heating oil each ,that's before we throw in diesel vehicles

Red hose, look up heating parts warehouse for them.

Copper is fine as far as I know, but ring Grant or Firebirds technically support for confirmation.

Also check that oil tank seal/connection is suitable, some older rubber seals might disintegrate.

Can anyone help me here? I have a 2001 house with D3 rating and no plumbing for central heating. Just a fireplace. I am not on the gas line.

Is HVO a good option or oil fired kerosene which can be converted to HVO if it ends up cheaper some day? Is there any grants or tax relief on this if I am getting HVO boiler and radiators plumbed and installed? Or is there a better heating option that I'm not thinking of?

It was built with electric storage heaters downstairs and electric panel heaters upstairs, everyone on the road was in the same boat originally

Thanks for that yeah any 1:1 COP is of course going to be more expensive that's why we're ready to invest in central heating

But surely heating 8 radiators 5 hours a day in the winter will be far cheaper by oil-fired central heating than anything based solely on electricity, even if kerosene goes back to its worst price at beginning of Ukraine conflict?

After some digging and calculations oil is definitely going to be a lot cheaper than infrared radiators for heating 8 radiators, even if it goes back up to last year's ridiculous prices again. The only way I'd see infrared being better is if you only need 2 or 3 radiators. So I guess my curiosity remains as to whether there's another option for central heating that could be cheaper? I have heard bad things about wood pellets in cost of running and maintenance.

You think a CO2 reduction of 90% compared to kerosene is not enough of an incentive? It's the only option for most of the 600,000 homes heated by kerosene unless everyone gets given €60,000 - € 80,000 for sufficient renovation for heat pump. 10 times less CO2 is quite a lot.

HVO for domestic kero burners is a one way bet as opposed to in the diesel car where it can mix with diesel so no drama if no HVO.

where as a red diesel burner would be fine

Data centres re ramping up their storage of HVO for the gen sets as it has a 10 year life, so its along way from being priced as kero