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Fast for 40

  • 29-09-2022 2:27pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭


    Long time lurker, have toyed with the idea of making a training log for a while and thought I'd give it a go as I'm reading a lot of the marathon threads here at the moment and there seems to be a nice community here so will give this a go, though not sure how regularly I'll update this!!

    At 37 I'm about a year into my running journey; a little over a year ago I decided to give the Galway Bay 10km a go after a couple of years of trying t get into running, having never ran a race further than 5km which was about 20 years previous, so absolutely no pedigree here! I always enjoyed running in my early childhood but it was never really something I did consistently, so maybe it was hitting that hump in my 30's which would see me enter the backend of that decade coupled with the fact I had become a Dad and my daughter, was 1 at the time, focused my mind into what sort of role model I wanted to be which brought me back to running.

    Growing up I was always fast, my claim to fame probably winning the u-12 100m in my county in the community games (only to get slaughtered in the heats in Mosney!!) I was always fit up until around 16, as I was involved in lots of sports and activities at various stages of adolescence i.e. Gaelic football, soccer, swimming, Irish dancing so all that gave me a fairly good fitness level though none geared towards endurance I suppose!

    Though I went the complete opposite direction in the next few years, college, found alcohol, wet out way too much, travelled etc. And during this time never did any sport or activity consistently, every now and again would try and get back into something like 5-a-side but inevitable with no training behind me I'd get injured, lose motivation, rinse and repeat.

    Saying that, I still probably retained a decent level of natural fitness. Going from years of nothing structured when I started to get back into running a couple of years ago I could manage a 5km in around 25-26mins so not too bad really.

    After some convincing by a friend, I decided to sign up for the 10km about 8 weeks out, thinking I could get a decent training block in to give it a good go, but with life and probably just not used of consistent training or putting running as a priority, I failed miserably and probably only managed around 10 runs I those 8 weeks, if even, I must actually look back! So, with no idea of how to pace a race or what I should target I somehow landed on a plan of trying to hold 4:40/km, though a run in the week leading up to the race I struggled to hold that for around 4km, I decided to go for it on the day.

    The day came and I was taken aback by the amount of people, the noise, the buzz around the place, music blaring, I loved it!! I ended up running just under 46mins but it came in 250m short on my GPS so not exactly sure if I can count that as a full 10km even though I'm sure it's measured. I hit 4:40/km exactly so was happy with that even though my HR was sky high for the whole thing and the last 500m I thought my heart was going to jump through my chest!! I thoroughly enjoyed the whole experience though and I was hooked. Thinking of what I'd target next is where I suppose the whole fast for 40 idea came from.

    With only two road races to my name, a 5km and 10km, both about 20 years apart, the only obvious target was...can I run a sub-3 hour marathon by the time I'm 40? (A very natural jump from where I was, I'm sure you'll agree lol)

    Thanks for reading this far, if you've managed to do so. I'll wrap this upas an intro and part 1. Part 2, will be my next post and I'll detail what I've been doing in the past year since that race!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    Part 2

    So, how do I go about achieving a goal like this. I mentioned in my previous post I had tried to get back into running in the couple of years prior, but this was really just me trying to run 2-3 times a week and when I did it would be as hard as I could and generally 3-5km, then I might get an injury or not have motivation for a few weeks, so always found myself back where I started, so how do I keep consistency and not get injured.

    I thought the best thing to do would be to hire a coach, a friend of mine is a really good distance runner and had started his own coaching business so I signed up with him, a way of delegating the planning of sessions as I found the level of information overwhelming and time consuming, what should I be doing, when, volume, intensity etc. And also to keep me accountable, I'm definitely better when I have to check in with someone rather than left to my own devices. So, I signed up with him with the intention of signing up for a marathon in 2022, but immediately targeted the jingle bells 5km as it was only about 6 weeks away from when I signed up so we thought this would be a good initial target and build on that with more races in 2022.

    This was the first time I tried to put any structure into my personal training and I enjoyed getting the sessions done. Nice to not have to worry about planning a session and just going out and trying to execute it, find this works well for me, saves some mental capacity! On the day I ran it in 19:46, was very happy with a sub-20 just about 8 weeks after the 46min 10km in Galway.

    Into the new year with renewed optimism and enjoyment in running, and to the news that we were expecting our second child, this was going to be a busy year! I decided to target Dublin, and hope for an entry in the lotto, was so excited I went out and bought a pair of NB RC Elite 2 - this was an investment towards the marathon and these would be the shoes I'd wear for it, felt really motivated by this!!

    Had my next 10km race signed up for, Charlestown 10km in Mayo in the middle of February. Ran 137km in January but disaster on the last day of the month, taking my new shoes for a spin in an interval session (their second) before the 10km and had an Achilles flare up, fist time this ever happened. Went to physio to manage it over the next few weeks and was feeling good again by the time the race rolled around but only managed about 20km in the two weeks leading up to it.

    Being a novice I wasn't exactly sure what I should be targeting for the race, especially with this period of injury but whatever I tried I completely made a hash of it, went out way too hard. I remember after about 3km cruising along and then turning 90degrees onto a back road and the wind just hitting me, from there I died until he end. A very humbling and disheartening experience but experience and character building, I can say now with the benefit of hindsight, definitely didn't feel that at the time!! Still though a PB in 44:14.

    Next 10km was on Paddy's Day, definitely paced this much better, though a hill at the start of the final km killed me it was downhill to the end, a much more enjoyable race on an undulating course in a time of 43:13 - another PB by about a minute in the space of 4 weeks, can feel the progress and it was a good training month.

    A month later say me take part in my first ever half marathon, a new event in Carney in Sligo. I was a bit intimidated by this distance as my long runs still weren't that long, less than a week before the race was my longest run scheduled for 18km, this gave me great cause for concern because I went to pieces during it. I remember after about 16km I was really feeling it and my mind got the better of me and I stopped to walk, and again about a km later, stopped the run at 17.4km in 85mins and felt defeated and dreading the race to come.. how can I even complete it if I can't complete a shorter training run was my mindset. I just remembered a week or two before that on a 16km long run I ended up walking too so it definitely got to me.

    With all that I decided to not bother targeting a specific time, I just thought no point putting too much pressure on myself, go out and enjoy the first one, take the first few km's easy and just hold a relatively comfortable effort. I knew the course had quite a steep hill around 17km in so I didn't want to have nothing left in the tank by the time I got there so staying conservative until that point and seeing what I had left after that was the plan.

    It went perfectly, probably the best I've paced a race so far, did exactly as I had planned and finished really strongly, in a time of 1:37:32, much quicker than what I thought I could achieve, definitely ne of the high points in my journey so far. I drew some comparisons from this race with that first 10km in Galway. I managed to run a quicker average pace per km, at 4:38, than that 10km only 6months previously, and didn't feel nearly as shattered crossing the line in the half than I did in the 10km. The last 4km's of the half after that hill, I ran in 4:14, 4:13, 4:37, 4:10 - the last km being my fastest of the race. I'm still not quite sure how I managed that now!

    My next race was about a month later another half, the River Moy half in Ballina. I suffered a setback in the lead up to it and was injured for about a week, and then another week of easing myself back into it on top of a reduced week after the Carney half so probably lost a bit of fitness but definitely didn't gain anything anyway. I decided to approach this one differently just to see how different strategies work. Given I ran 4:38/km average in my first half but by going out conservatively and growing into the race, wanted to see if I could run the same pace but with even splits throughout. In short, I didn't manage this and came in just under the 1:40 mark by a few seconds. Found this one much tougher, not sure if it was the strategy, the fact I had a slight knee injury in the build up or the fact it was a much warmer and more humid day and I didn't allow for this. Last 5km or so I felt really tough, felt dead on my feet and breathing really heavily, though I'm beginning to realise, now when I look back, that these times I feel like I'm blowing up are never really as slow as you think you are going in the moment, as you feel you are nearly walking and world crashing around you!! lol

    Next race was about two weeks later, a 10km in Strokestown. A fairly enjoyable race, that I paced fairly well I think, slowed down about in km's 8 and 9 but managed to finish strongly with my fastest km of 4:02 for a time of 43:01 - gave everything going for the line to dip under 43 and thought I crossed at 43 even but just outside it. Still though another PB, so happy with that.

    Roll on two more weeks and take part in he Dunshaughlin 10km, by far the most people I've shared a start line with to this point. Was a glorious evening, another factor I had to take into account as all my races so far have been in the morning. Drove down early with a friend and we walked around, we drove the course to get an idea of what was ahead of us. Very happy with how I paced this one, a very enjoyable race and finished strongly with my two fastest km's of 4:11 and 3:58 for an 18second PB in a time of 42:43.

    I've only had one more race since but more of a fun run, though very tough, the Warriors Run in Sligo, my first time doing it in just under 1:22. The course is just over 14km with an elevation gain of 400m so fairly tough, enjoyed it that was the las weekend in August.

    Training has been ok since the last 10k in Dunshaughlin but I picked up a niggle sometime in July I think that I was managing through July and August and through the last race as well. I feel like that is just behind me now and the last 3-4weeks have been really good, consistent training again after a dip in July and August while I managed this but impacted my long runs and had to miss a few. The niggle was a pain in my groin, but physio diagnosed the issue as hip weakness so I've been rehabbing that and it's gone well as I feel mostly ok now when I'm running. But has highlighted that I've definitely neglected the S&C side of things which I plan to rectify moving forward.

    During that period I hit a bit of a mental wobble, found the injury tough and felt like I was going backwards, don't think I was but mentally it felt that way. With the arrival of our second daughter and sleep at a premium, I just found the going tough there for a few weeks and started to question the point of it all, possibly lost a bit of the enjoyment from running as a result. But having said that, I'm feeling much more positive again, this is my fourth good week in a row after a 3 week dip. Have logged my most km's in a month to date since I started this journey with a few more to add tomorrow. Ran my longest run last weekend hitting the 30km mark, and although found the last 5km of this very tough, it was a good session and averaged 5:05/km for the run. I'm planning my runs in advance and around family life so feel like I'm in a better place again and enjoying the build up now.

    Only 4 weeks to go to Dublin and my first marathon experience, I have no idea what this will be like or what the outcome will be, still not sure exactly what I'll target on race day but feel like I might try to approach it like I did m first half and just go out and enjoy it and might surprise myself like I did that day! Whatever happens I've enjoyed the journey so far and have already learned a hell of a lot, learn more with each race and with each week of training.

    A couple of really long posts there to kick me off, but had to catch you up on the past year!! Hopefully I can keep this log updated as the weeks go on. Thanks for reading this far if you've survived the tsunami of words!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭marathon2022


    Your right, the community here is great, the best thing about the whole of boards.ie. Good luck on your Journey and especially the Dublin Marathon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    Thanks very much. Are you doing Dublin yourself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭marathon2022


    I am indeed, very much looking forward to it. My first marathon was 2019 Dublin, unforgettable day, the atmosphere, the runners, supporters and of course the culmination of weeks of training.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    Best of luck with it, I'm really looking forward to it myself. I've done two races with large fields but under 1k each, this will be next level, can't wait to be apart of the atmosphere!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    My opinion would definitely try and enjoy your first marathon. Are you part of the mentored novices thread here? You’ll get lots of info and advice about the route etc in the next 4 weeks there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    Thanks, no I'm not part of it but I have been reading it the past week or so and have already picked up some good advice from it about the course so will follow that closely between now and the race especially while I try to come up with a race strategy!

    Also keeping an eye on the marathon improvers thread!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Welcome to the logs! Dublin 2019 was my 1st marathon & what an amazing experience. As already said, enjoy it as much as you can.

    Best of luck with the log & your training 😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    Thanks, really looking forward to it now, hard to believe it's just a little over 4 weeks away!

    Still not sure how I'll approach it but after reading the novice thread here I'm leaning towards going out conservatively and seeing what I have in the second half.

    Some kind soul posted the race profile in the novice thread and looks like the first 11km is mostly hilly and then the next 5km is a reprieve, so thinking the first 11km a bit easier and make up the time in the next 5km and then see what happens from there!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Yes good to see the profile, there will be a lot more talking about the course over the coming weeks.

    I ran a negative split for it, definitely all the advice is a conservative start. It's easy to get caught up in a fast start with all the adrenaline etc but having a plan & sticking to it will be where you will see the discipline! I can't wait to run Dublin again😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    Sept 26th - October 2nd

    Total km's: 61.2

    Wednesday: 10mins easy, 10km alternating km's 4:15 & 5:00, 10mins easy - 13.6km

    Thursday: 40mins easy - 7km

    Friday: 45mins easy - 8km

    Sunday: 5km & 5x(4k@4:45/km & 1km float@5:10/km) & 2k - 32km (2hr 39mins)

    Longest ever run and most km's in a week, so happy with progress. At 31.2km today both my hamstrings cramped, 60-90 secs to stretch and could walk and was able to jog to the finish.

    Just setting to be wary of for next week, don't think I drank enough water yesterday which may have contributed to the cramping. Will adjust things for next week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭Lazare


    Really enjoyed reading your intro posts. You've an infectious enthusiasm.

    You will definitely sub3 by the time you're 40 I feel, if you're clever about it.

    Enjoy Dublin, it's a spectacular day. Don't put too much pressure on yourself though. The abosolute optimum play on your first marathon, particularly DCM, is to enjoy every minute of it and to walk (limp lol) away hooked.

    A solid year of volume then, aerobic running, engine building will see you smash it next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    Thanks very much, great to hear you enjoyed reading my ramblings!! Was worried those posts were too long for anyone to actually read in full!! Appreciate you taking an interest!!

    Really looking forward to the marathon now, starting to get excited already. Have had to overcome a few mental struggles with training in the last year but delighted to have gotten this far and now it's just to get to the start line!

    Aready looking to potential marathons next year!! Think I've well and truly caught the bug!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    October 3 - 9

    Total weekly km's: 64

    A bit late keeping the log up to date but life is busy at the moment so hard to fot everything in. With that in mind I've been having to move around some of my runs to what suits home life a bit more so this week I had a session on Wednesday followed by easy runs Thursday and Friday before the longest run of the block and my longest run ever!


    Wednesday - 13.6km @ 4:47/km (10mins easy & 5x(7mins @4:15 off 2mins float @5:10) & 10mins easy)

    Thursday - 9km @ 5:34/km

    Friday - 6.5km @ 5:22/km

    Sunday - 35km @ 5:05/km


    Wednesday went well but found the last couple of reps tough, although 4:15 was the pace the reps were more like 4:20. Had to dig deep on the last one.

    Long run on Sunday, felt good and controlled up until about 28km, the last 7km was tough. Actually aerobically I felt ok, probably the most comfortable I have felt on one of these runs. The legs just had nothing left I felt at this point, the just felt heavy and could feel I didn't have the same stride length. Last 7km were 5:25-5:35's roughly when I was probably under 5:00/km up until that.

    I'm happy with that though, continue to learn from these long runs. I've had to stop during long runs on this block because aerobically I've felt like I pushed too hard so good feeling to have that under control on this run and it's theongest run over ever done so all around happy.

    I did have sore and heavy legs for a couple of days afterwards but no ill effects or anything from those runs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    Well done. How are you fuelling the long runs? Maybe you need more fuel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    Thanks. Mainly gels, take a gel a few mins before setting off and then one every 35mins, use SIS Beta Fuel so 40g carbs per gel. I only started taking a gel pre-run on my last two long runs but seems to work ok for me.

    My last long run before this week I cramped before 32km so I dropped a hydration tab into a water bottle, while running, and took that and tested out using some lucozade sport this week, first time ever trying that on a run but thought it would be good to test as that will be available on the course.

    Think the hydration strategy worked a bit better this week rather than my usual which was just gels and water.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    Might be no harm taking some hydration tablets the two days before your long runs too. It does sound a bit like you are running out of energy. From my second marathon on I needed gels every 30 mins. I wasn’t often enough the first marathon. Now I don’t know how many carbs were in mine compare to yours but on marathon day it might help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    I was taking a hydration tab every day, but ran out at the start of this week so need to get more!

    Though they say you can take 2 a day so might start doing that the day or two before a long run.

    I used to only take a gel every 40-45mins but have pulled that back to 35mins the last few long runs and have had no issues so might be worth trying every 30mins before the big day. Have 29km coming up on Sunday so could be my last chance to test out these things properly before race day!

    Thanks for your suggestions, this is all very new to me and learning as I go!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,558 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    A sub-3 marathon at 40, with 3 years to prepare, should be possible for any reasonably dedicated runner willing to work at it. To be honest though, your current times at 5/10k suggest something more in the 3:30 region.

    It’s important to be realistic, especially in the beginning. Age is on your side though - make the most of it, and once you've made one milestone, consider the next. Good luck.

    Post edited by Murph_D on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    Oh yeah, I'm not shooting for sub 3 with this one. I think for this one I'll target sub 3:30. Planning on going out around 3:35 pace and seeing how I feel from then on the day but won't be pushing hard or anything. Would be very happy with anything around 3:30 with my first marathon



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    October 10 - 16

    Total weekly km's: 50.8

    After last week's long run my legs felt the most beat up they have during the whole block so far. Had Doms for 2 days in both my quads, and wasn't sure how I'd fare for my session on Wednesday.

    On Wednesday as well I had a sports massage booked in, this helped the legs, loosened them out again I felt. After this, I decided to go ahead with my planned session and if the legs didn't have it to just back off and get a good run in.

    Session went better than expected. I did 6x5mins@4:15/km off 2mins float around 5:10/km. I had a similar session the previous week of 5x7mins but I didn't think this week's felt as tough which I was delighted with following the long run on Sunday!

    I had two easy runs scheduled this week but only managed one, things were a bit hectic this week. But not too bothered at this stage.

    So, only got 3 runs in this week. Managed my long run today, 29km. It was broken into 7km@5:00/km, 5x3k@4:45/km off 1km float@5:00/km and 2k@5:00/km to finish. I decided to dial it back a bit as felt that was probably a bit much at this stage. So went out around 5:15's for the 7km, I set up a workout on my Garmin for these types of runs and set the pace between 4:45-4:55 for the 3k reps.

    My plan for the run was to just stay comfortable and in control and if I ever felt I was pushing or chasing the time I'd just back off. Luckily this didn't happen and I felt quite good during the run and felt strong at the finish. By far the best I've felt after a long run over 25km.

    Wednesday: 12.8km @ 4:51/km

    Friday: 9km @ 5:25/km

    Sunday: 29km @ 5:00/km

    I've been doing these long runs from my wife's parents house, we visit at the weekends and easier for my wife to have help with the kids while I'm away and the route is nice. Anyway, when I came in the door after my run today my mother in law looked at me and said, "you look better than usual, you must be getting used to them" 🤣🤣 That's one way to measure improvement I guess! 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    October 17 - 23

    Total weekly km's: 36.9

    4 runs scheduled this week, 2 easy runs @ 40mins each, a midweek session of 800's on/off and a long run 18km.

    I missed one of my easy runs like last week but also like last week not too bothered at this stage, home life is fairly hectic so if I get my main runs in at this stage I'm happy.

    On Thursday I got my session in. 10mins easy to start and finish with 5x800m on/off @4:00/km and 5:00/km sandwiches between. I enjoyed this session, was comfortably tough and didn't feel like I had to push too hard to maintain paces. I wouldn't have pushed if it wasn't there on the day. Splits of 4:01,3:58,4:02,4:00,4:02/km and 4:53,4:48,4:46,5:03,5:00/km. If anything probably overcooked the recovery reps a little but didn't feel out of my comfort zone.

    Got my long run in on Sunday, like many on that day I'm sure, I got caught in a couple of torrential downpours. But I don't mind those so much, so long as they don't last too long and they're not too bad once you're out running, would be a different story trying to start in it!! This was scheduled as 4km @ 5:15/km 12km @5:00 and 2km@5:15. This felt very comfortable for me, aerobically it's the easiest I've ever felt running 18km. I had to keep holding myself back on this run, once I lost a bit of concentration and my mind started to wander a bit, before I'd realise I'd be at 4:45/km pace and would pull myself back but didn't feel like I was pushing or anything!

    This run has given me a bit more confidence going into the marathon. I know it's not much on it's own but I've reflected a bit on my journey so far and around 6months ago, about a week before my first half marathon I had an 18km to do and I blew up competely, couldn't manage it walked a couple of times after 14km. I remember thinking how am I going to manage a half if I can't even manage that. Anyway, on the day the half marathon went better than expected so nothing to worry about. But if I look back and contrast that run with the one I did at the weekend, I can really see the progress I've made in those few months and I already consider that a massive win.

    Wednesday: 7.1km @ 5:39/km

    Thursday: 11.69km @ 4:45/km

    Sunday: 18km @ 5:02/km

    Really looking forward to the marathon now. A few more runs to do this week, can't believe it less than a week away now!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    Best of luck on Sunday. Hope it goes well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Very best of luck😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    Thanks very much, excitement starting to build. On the train on my way up to Dublin now, looking forward to getting to the Expo and taking it all in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    Thanks very much, excitement starting to build. On the train on my way up to Dublin now, looking forward to getting to the Expo and taking it all in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    October 24 - 29 final taper week to date

    Total weekly km's: 13.82

    So this saw my final week of preparation for my first ever marathon. Very light week this week, as has been the case the past few weeks home life has been a bit hectic so I skipped an easy run, so only two runs for the week.

    Wednesday saw my final session 10mins ready to start and finish with 3x5mins@4:45/km with 2mins easy recovery. Like last week I found it well within my comfort zone and if anything was hard to try and hold back! Reps ended up being 4:40, 4:36, 4:33/km

    Wednesday: 8.27km @ 4:57/km

    Thursday: 5.55km @ 5:19/km

    Have been getting progressively more excited as the last couple of weeks have gone by. Found it very strange with the reduction in volume and number of days running.

    I can't say I've had any negative thoughts about it, I have a target in mind (3:30) which is definitely achievable but it's not something I'm going to chase. The main thing I want to get from my first marathon is to enjoy the experience and get a baseline for where I am and have something to build on going into next year.

    Reflecting on the last year when I decided this was going to be a goal and I bit the bullet and signed up for Dublin, not really thinking I'd get a lottery place, having no idea how these things usually work! I have to say I'm proud to have made it this far, setting a goal a year out isn't always achievable and have felt when I've targeted things in the past whether sports, work etc I've given up half way through, not really sure why, maybe self doubt, was always the easier option. To have set a goal, committed and being on the cusp of achieving that goal is definitely something I can be proud of myself for.

    So, for me no matter what happens tomorrow I've already succeeded, though finishing would be the cherry on top!

    Thanks for reading, already looking ahead to marathons next year, but for now I'm focusing on the here and now and hoping to enjoy every minute of it. Thanks for reading and hope to have a good report when all is said and done!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭Lazare


    The very best of luck tomorrow. It's going to be an amazing day.

    I know you have family coming to see you, but if you can squeeze in a visit to McGrattans afterwards that would be cool



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    Thanks, will see what I can manage, will all depend on how the little ones are doing at that stage!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭babacool


    Great read so far 🙂. Sub3 should defo be on before 40. Could even happen @ dcm next year if you train smart and as @Murph_D said at realistic paces.


    with tomorrow I would suggest to go out with the 3:40 pacers and stay with them til at least 25k mark. They will usually aim for 3:38 or so anyways. Means you are still fresh and can gain a lot of time over the last 17km.


    best of luck though. Hope you will enjoy it 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    Full race report to follow, was a tough day, rollercoaster of emotions. Got around in 3:45:25.

    A few factors went against me on the day that I'll go into in my report and probably made a couple of mistakes as well but it's all a learning process.

    Still reflecting and processing the whole experience and will try to get a full report in the coming days.

    The support was amazing the whole way around and that finishing km the noise levels just grew and grew nearing the finish which was a great lift.

    Proud to have finished the marathon and can now say I'm a marathoner! Well done to everyone who took part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    Congrats!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭Lazare


    Remember that mistakes are valuable to us.

    3:45 is a cracking time regardless. Looking forward to reading the report, but I do hope you realise your ultimate goal of a sub 3 is still attainable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    Oh yeah for sure. I'm fairly content with the outcome from yesterday and although yesterday I probably had a few doubts, I think today, weirdly, I'm feeling that is definitely achievable.

    I've only been running a year, a lot yet to learn and every training week and race there's something to learn. The one thing I'm trying to learn is not to be overly critical of myself. Lookomg forward to getting the time to sit town and write the report and re-live the race!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    DCM 2022 race report

    Here goes, buckle in for a long one, may need to go boil the kettle!!

    I got the train up on Saturday, straight to the Expo to pick up my race pack. Wasn't there until after 4:30pm so it was pretty much winding down, didn't want to be longer on my feet than necessary so jumped on a bus and headed for my friends house, near Bushy Park, who kindly put me up for the night. A lovely evening with them catching up over dinner and off to bed after 9:30, spent a few mins getting my gear laid out for the morning. Wasn't nervous or anxious, was looking forward to getting going in the morning.

    Woke up in the morning, before my alarm around 6:10am. Oh no!! I feel like crap. Sore throat, ear aching, headache. Crap, my daughters and wife had a bug all week and my wife had been complaining of similar symptoms in the couple of days prior, thought I had managed to avoid it!

    Energy wise I was feeling ok though so I didn't panic, just got up and continued with the morning plan, had brought my own oats so made those and had half litre of water with a hydration tablet. Didn't feel any better after eating and just thought I'll keep an eye ony HR early on I'm the race and if I feel it's high I'll ease off and change my plan. Got myself dressed and did some stretches to loosen out hips and glutes and I was off to the bus stop.

    Bus didn't show so walked down towards Terenure in the hopes of finding a coffee shop before the next bus, no such luck, surprising lack of such establishments in the area, though it was only 7:30, still this is Dublin!!

    Got chatting to a guy at the bus stop with a clear plastic bag as well, he was from Belfast and on his way to meet his friend. Gave him coins for the bus as he only had a note but there was no sign of the bus, he was anxious to meet his mate and hailed a taxi on an app, he said he was trying all morning to no avail. He asked if I wanted to share and also a couple that were waiting at the bus stop heading in as well. Taxi man dropped us at the top of Leeson St I think, the kind Belfast stranger took care of the taxinamd wouldn't hear of it when I offered to pay or transfer money. Lovely act of kindness, he was running with his friend who he mentioned was partially sighted, hope they had a great day. I wished him well as we parted ways.

    I headed for the bag drop, damn this headache is not going away. I mimic a yawn and my throat and ear give out, crap! I pop into a Spar for a coffee as I had plenty of time and would usually have a coffee in the morning.

    Before the bag drop found a railing across from Leinster house to get myself ready, put on my shoes, belt and put in my gels with my hydration tabs and salt tabs, put on my chest strap and packed up. Could feel the excitement and anticipation building as throngs of people headed towards the bag drop.

    Dropped off the bag, found somewhere to do some stretches. Had a 250ml bottle of water and dropped half a hydration tab into it to sip on between now and the race start. Followed signs for wave 2 but was planning to go with wave 3. Joined the long queue for the toilets, didn't mind waiting as had plenty of time. By the time I got down closer to the start wave 2 was being set off, wave 3 had started moving towards me so I settled in at the front of the crowds and waited for the off.

    Race 0-10km

    Got to the line and started just in front of the 4hour pacers. Was a bit of an underwhelming start really I thought, some lad on the mic talking about Joyce I think and saying other stuff, no music, no big countdown, out of nowhere the gun goes, think everyone is startled for a split second but we are off. Some lads go hurtling off down the street, I had positioned myself towards the right but near the centre of the road in preparation for the sharp right first corner.

    I'm relaxed and settle into my pace, couple of quick glances at the watch to make sure I'm not getting carried away. Lots of people, lots of chatter, the noise of feet pounding the road, excited to be off. Nice wide road, stepped on one of the big manhole covers, oops that was slippy, need to concentrate! Watch beeps, 1km done 5:02, was thinking around 5:05-5:10 pace for the first 10-11km so not far off, quick glance of the HR and so far so good.

    We passed by St. Patrick's Cathedral and saw kids with signs for their Daddy, thoughts drifted to my daughter's and wife who were making the trip up to see me at the finish line! Was looking forward to seeing them.

    Up the hill at Christchurch, quick glance at the HR and it's spiked, hopefully it's just the effort of the hill. Relaxed and down the hill, along the canal check in again with the HR and it's back to normal. I was thinking in the early stages keep the HR in the high 150's, early 160's ok. If it started to climb to high 160's/170's I'd back off. Quick check in with myself and the one thing I note is that my legs don't feel as fresh as they should, feel a bit heavy but think that maybe that will pass.

    Up past Stoneybatter, picked up a water bottle from the station which was earlier than I thought, surely that wasn't 5k?! After that came across our first DJ stage of the day, wasn't expecting it but the music and cheers we're great, have a few high fives and rounded the corner on the downhill towards Phoenix Park entrance. Quick glance at the HR and it's spiked again...note to self, don't get carried away at those fan sections!!

    In to Phoenix Park and in a good rhythm now, pace is ok maybe a little ahead of where I wanted but effort feels fine. On to Chesterfield Avenue and know it's a drag from here to Castleknock so don't push it and try to keep effort even.

    Around the roundabout at another fan section, drums going, give high fives to kids along the way, really enjoying the atmosphere. Heart rate spikes again after that, another note to self..seriously calm down at these fan sections!

    Through the gates and hit 10km, watch reads 50:33, maybe a minute hotter than I planned but feeling very comfortable so happy at this stage.

    11-20km

    I don't heed my second note to myself at Castleknock! Great atmosphere there, high fives again and out of nowhere I hear my full name being shouted and look back to see one of the lads, big thumbs up for him, that puts a smile on my face. Heart rate goes up a bit again but decide that's that, I'm enjoying the experience and the fan interaction but won't do that from here on in as need to keep HR down and keep the effort even.

    Somewhere after Castleknock I pick up a water bottle, grab a half hydration tab from my belt and carry that with me for the next while. I use the downhills to bank some time, speed increases without expending any extra effort.

    Back into the park, I keep checking in with myself, HR looks ok, breathing feels easy, feel relaxed, legs not feeling as free as they should. But I continue with my strategy, I'm passing people but don't feel like I'm pushing, feels relatively easy, spot a camera man, smile and thumbs up, I usually never spot them and never look good!!

    Out of the park, great support heading for Chapelizod, under that bridge and up that hill, that's a steep hill!! At least I think it was here!! For the hills I try to maintain effort, shorten my stride and increase cadence trying not to expend too much extra energy, just try and keep the effort relative.

    Going grand tipping along Sarsfield road an area of Dublin I'm not familiar with, great local support again. People out with music, offering jelly babies etc. I spot the mile 11 marker, then out of nowhere .. get twinges I'm both legs. It's like the dash on your car lighting up. Could feel my shins, calves, quads on both legs all have this weird twinge that gets my attention. What was that? Felt a bit crampy but way too early for that.

    Then I'm thinking is it my shoes, I've work them for all my races so far this year but haven't done anything over a half marathon in them and used them very sparingly in my build up block. But we are only 11miles in and never had issues with the shoes before. Is it what I felt this morning that's causing this? That headache still hasn't dosappeared. Legs haven't been feeling 100% all day so tell myself for next few water stations take some water on, and take 2 salt tabs. From here I don't push on I keep the effort steady, back off a little and try to manage this now and see how they go.

    Coming into Rialto at the small roundabout, used to rent a room in a house just down near the canal, can almost spot it from the roundabout, familiar territory! On to Dolphin's barn and great support once again, roads lined with people. From here I'm not paying as much attention to the crowds, focusing on what's in front of me, and trying to concentrate and manage my legs which at this stage are feeling ok. Heavy, don't really feelike cramping now but definitely have stiffened up a bit.

    Up the dreaded Crumlin Road drag, have read lots about this. I don't think it was that bad but it just feels monotonous or something, I was just focusing on keeping the legs ticking over keeping the effort steady. I started to notice people walking, so couldn't take this stretch for granted.

    Water station ahead, grabbed salt tabs and took them and took a few swigs of water. Crossed the half way mark here.

    Half way: 1:46:40 (20k 1:40:45 11-20km 50:12)

    This was actually encouraging, because I had been managing the run and not pushing on for the past few km and still to be tracking for 3:30, I was very happy with. The focus was now to just keep up what I've been doing, keep an eye on HR, keep effort relative. Get to 32km and can push on for the last 10km.

    Half - 30km

    The drag continues! Then a reprieve a downhill, think this is Drimnagh, can just let the legs go here and relax. Is that Conor McGregor's pub I've heard about?! Round the corner crowd tightens in and the road narrows as a result. Some guy in front of me high fives someone and then just stops dead to talk to them, evasive action needed, runners across the road at a slower pace so need to mount footpath to go around them, risky but ok.

    Trying to remember the route now, why are we going up a drag again. I remember it continues as far as Walkinstown roundabout, no clue how far that is but brain becoming a bit foggy now! Just keep on going.

    Don't recall much of the next few km's think they were relatively flat once we got past Walkinstown road roundabout. Think the paces here were around 5:10/km average roughly. Passing some people but felt more like I was just holding my own here

    Although legs felt heavy and a bit tight they were doing ok, and those concerns around cramping had passed. I knew there was a downhill section around Templeogue Road, felt good so pushed on here for the first time since mile 11 clocking 5:00/km's for km 28 and 29. This felt good, was passing people at a faster rate than in a good while in the race and felt relatively comfortable, had to push a bit but didn't think I was working too hard.

    Eased off a little I think just to keep HR down. Saw signs as we approached 30km, my memory of this part of the course is a bit hazy, can remember good crowds around here I think! 30km watch shows 2:32:38.

    31-40km

    Was just thinking that I was still on for 3:30 if I could push on from here. Then all of a sudden bang, out of nowhere, left hamstring cramps hard. No running through that, need to stop, try to stretch and quad starts to cramp, try to stretch that and hamstring cramps worse. That's it, race over, flood of emotion and can't hold it back as I burst into tears. Wow, was not expecting that. I'm thinking my race is over. I try to walk, hamstring in a knot, quad ok again. I keep walking, tears streaming down my face. Then I spot a mother and her daughter outside their house handing out bananas, exactly what I need. Thanked her through tears and peeled the banana.

    Couple of bites and I somehow manage a jog, keep eating the banana as the jog turns into a tentative run. I can't believe I'm running, tears stop and I'm beginning to get my focus back. Ok that was a shock but keep moving, 3:30 gone but this race isn't over.

    There was a long downhill section here so let gravity take me here and I'm passing people again. Legs feel like they are working. Great crowd outside the dropping well and the road narrows with the people out I'm support, the staff out cheering on one of their own giving her high fives and cherrs as she passes just a few bodies in front of me. Under the arches along Milltown Road, and along a straight stretch I feel a twinge, right hamstring, try to change leg steide to straighten it or stop it from xramping but no, too late right hamstring full cramp.

    Different reaction this time, no outpouring of emotion, more of a FFS, frustration that it's happened again. Try to stretch, doesn't seem to be working. So I just walk, hand on back of my hamstring just feel a big knot keep it there as I try to walk it out. I'm just at the bottom of a big hill, don't know what it's called but I walked up that. Walkkg did the trick and getting to the crest of the hill I break out into a jog again. Now it's just a matter of getting to the finish line, hoping upon all hopes that I avoid cramping any more.

    With all the talk of Crumlin Road I must have missed the chat on Clonskeagh Road, found the drag here horrible and seemingly neverending, not much support in places, this was tough, dare I say grim in parts. I was suffering at this stage. Although my legs were moving I was working hard to do so, any sort of form out the window. Legs felt so stiff that range of motion just wasn't there so felt like a shuffle. Legs just felt on the cusp of cramping at any time. So was just trying to grind it out. Think of the next step, the next few metres, road turns out of view, slowly comes back into view, damn this drag goes on forever.

    Everything sort of melded into one here, can't recall a timeline of places, no idea where I am now, just following people, following the course. Legs screaming at me, I ignore them and dig deep. Just keep shuffling. There was quite a steep hill around here somewhere, I remember some people asking if it was 'Heatbreak Hill' I didn't think it could be but tried to work out the maths in my head but my brain was mush, I knew it was around 4km from the end, I knew we weren't 4km from the end, but this hill is a ****er, though I won't walk I just keep the legs moving, slowly step after step I make it up that god damn hill.

    I'm hurting but I'm running, well I'm not sure you could call it that but there are lots of people walking now, I notice bodies on the side of the road, either being looked after or people just trying to deal with their own cramps. Just keep moving. Don't care about the watch now, paces don't matter, just keeping an eye on the HR, but not passing any heed of splits, so focused on just keeping going that I don't think I can hear the watch beep.

    Roebuck hill - just keep the legs turning over, short stride as high a cadence as I can muster, grit the teeth and I'm up and over, a left turn I think and downhill from here from what I've read....nope not even close!!

    Coming down the hill at Merrion Rd I think towards the N11, that's a hill to get on to the N11, well **** me, just take the same approach and get up the hill, some guy tries to high five his friends and something in his leg cramps. I shout as I pass to keep moving. Contemplate taking my last gel here before the UCD flyover, had been taking them every 30mins and one before the start, but stomach now not sure about it. I open it and slowly start to take some. Up and over the flyover, decide I can't take any more gel and just put it away.

    Incline after coming down the other side of the flyover towards Nutley Avenue I believe, and this seems like a monster!! Loads of people walking, people passing me, I'm still run shuffling and determined not to walk.

    Next thing I know I'm at the RDS, fighting just to keep moving, everything hurts but I know I'm going to make it to the finish.

    40km - finish

    Crowds start building from here, it's taking everything I have to just keep moving, legs are getting stiffer and I feel I've slowed but it's the only gear I have. Thoughts move to my family, I wonder did they make it, are they somewhere on the course near the finish or will I just see them at the end. For the first time in 10km I'm looking at the crowd scanning both sides of the road. Thoughts about what I'll do if I see them, do I stop for a hug and a kiss, or just get as close as I can and keep moving, stop now and I might not get going again. All these thoughts swirling around in my head and I can feel the emotion building again.

    Inside the last 2km now and being passed loads, I don't care I'm making the finish line and I may not be moving quickly but I'm also still passing some people. At this stage I actually start encouraging others, summoning strength to get out any words of encouragement. Noticed a couple of guys at different times stop ahead of me and I'd tell them to keep going, I'm cramping and if I can do it they can. It sure if they heard or if i was coherent enough.

    No sign of my family, they must be at the end, or if they're in the finishing straight I'm not going to spot them. 1km to go, I see the bridge over the canal, the crowds are building the noise is unreal. Completely zone out here and just give it everything for the last 800m. Feels like I'm moving faster but can't be sure, I pass one or two. I'm moving now, gritting my teeth and just staring at the finishing line in the distance. I spot the 400m sign, bang left hamstring fires a warning shot, I adjust and limp run. I clench both my fists, I'm audibly groaning with every stride now, teeth gritted. I run through the cramp... there's the finish mat, I clench my two fists out in front in celebration and cross the finish mat.

    3:45:25.

    Post race

    It's busy and people just seem to stop dead, I gently move someone to the side so I can keep moving, keep walking up the barrier corridor and get my medal. I just want to keep moving as stopping I fear I'll cramp. A couple of the volunteers say my name and have words of encouragement. A fellow competitor passes and sees me limping and says it will be worse tomorrow!! Thanks, though barely had the energy to reply.

    Get to the bag drop, and go to meet my family. Have to walk back down Merrion st, as they can't get up, we are let through a fence. I see my wife and daughter, give them a big hug and the emotion just falls out of me, cry again on my wife's shoulder, I needed that, once I had that out of my system I was ok.

    Surprisingly legs didn't cramp and actually managed to walk to the train at Connolly. We pretty much left straight away so I didn't get to soak up and post race atmosphere.

    Think initially I was disappointed but having given myself a couple of days I have to be proud with what I achieved. How I perserved and had to find inner strength I didn't know was there, went to the well and emptied it!!

    Still lots to analyse from this, was it just the sickness I felt that morning that caused most of it? Did the shoes play a part? My hydration may have been a bit off, practiced a lot but maybe didn't execute as well on the day or possibly a bit of everything.

    It hit me hard the next day, and still today, had to take today off work and still not feeling right. Stuffed nose, sore throat, sore ear, odd headache. Don't think the run caused that to be worse, think I was getting it anyway and the timing was just unfortunate though I think it is affecting my recovery. Legs, quads in particular are still quite sore today.

    Lots to learn, lots learned, had it put me off? No! Will take this week off and take it from there.

    Thanks if you've made it this far, it's a bit of a ramble!!

    Splits

    10k: 50:33

    20k: 1:40:45 (50:12)

    30k: 2:32:38 (51:53)

    40k: 3:32:12 (59:34)

    Finish: 3:45:25



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    That’s a great read. So many familiar feelings … especially the ones on Clonskeagh road. Well done for keeping going throughout. Hope you recover from the headcold soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    I've just signed up for Manchester - we go again!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Great report, looks like it was a tough enough day for most!

    Manchester is good, I did it in 2019, best of luck with the training for it😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    Well that was an unscheduled sabbatical from the log!!

    After Dublin, I started doing some easy running after about a week and felt mostly fine, the plan was to kick on from there and put in a big base block in November/December to build up my aerobic capacity but life had other ideas!

    We moved into our new house in the lead up to Xmas, and with it being a self build it was quite stressful. So didn't have time to focus on running so stepped away from it almost completely but that definitely didn't help mentally.

    It was an exciting time moving in but I got myself very stressed and also not running I didn't really have an outlet so wasn't in a great place mentally for a while!

    Thankfully I've passed that now, really enjoying our new home and I'm focused on running again.

    November: 85.2km

    December: 41.5km



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    After a stressful couple of months and pretty much no running, January was upon us and only about 15weeks to Manchester. Wasn't feeling good, knew I probably lost a tonne of fitness and just generally wasn't feeling great about running.

    Focus for the month was just to get back running, and running regularly and consistently. The consistency part of it nearly bolit me straight away, after the first week where I ran 4 times and a long run of 15km, in week 2 I had to travel to the UK for a family bereavement, we were over there for a couple of nights and there were a lot of pints consumed in those nights, though I managed to get up early one morning for an early morning trot along a lovely coastline. I managed to get 3 runs in that week including a long run of 18k so was good overall.

    I finished out the rest of the month hitting 4 runs a week, not worrying about times or speedsz just getting out running and making it a routine again. Overall I managed 16runs in the month all at an easy aerobic pace which is what I needed to build some form of base.

    Long runs of 15k,18k,21k,23k. Ended the month on 185k and surprisingly the second highest mileage I've ever managed in a month, only topped by the month of Dublin marathon last year.

    And the difference now is that I wasn't experiencing any form of niggles or anything. In the last block my mileage sort of plateaued for the few months leading into the marathon while I managed niggles and seemed to be visiting the physio every other week.

    This was a good month, brought me back in touch with running, it was bringing me joy again and that was feeding into work and family life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    February started and figured I wouldn't go mad but would start to hit the weekly session at targeted paces. The onw thing I am much more conscious of in thos block is doing my easier runs easy, actually easy.

    Looking back at the last block and those niggles, outside of my weekly session and long run, my two other runs I was running them too fast so fatigue caught up with me and injuries occurred, well that's the theory I'm running with anyway.

    This block I still have the same structure, but the 2 easier days are easy. Usually 45 & 50mins, last block would have been hitting them around 5:05-5:10/km, this block I'm probably averaging them around 5:40-5:45/km. Legs feel like they can handle the load and the tougher days better now as well. Still not perfect by any means but feel like I've brought learnings from my last block and it has improved my training, well so far anyway.

    Week 1:

    Run 1: 50mins@5:20/km

    Run 2: 15mins@4:45/km 15mins@4:30/km total 50mins avg 4:47/km

    Run 3: 50mins@5:30/km

    Run 4: 25km@5:05/km


    Week 2:

    Run 1: 45mins@5:56/km

    Run 2: 15mins@4:35/km 5x30sec strides total 50mins avg 4:48/km

    Run 3: 50mins@5:46/km

    Run 4: 29km@5:04/km - was only planning to do 27km but took a different route back and ended up going over. Was thinking 5x3km but ended up doing 4x3km & 1x5km. Felt very good on this run and the first time I felt like I was gaining fitness!


    Week 3:

    Run 1: 45mins@5:45/km

    Run 2: 3x10mins@4:25/km with 2min float 56mins avg 4:53/km

    Run 3: 50mins@5:32/km

    Run 4: 30km@4:55/km included 4x5km@4:50/km with 1k float


    Week 4:

    Run 1: 20min active recovery @6:02/km

    Run 2: 45mins@5:45/km

    Run 3: 8x3mins@4:15/km with 90sec float total 56mins avg 4:46/km

    Run 4: 50mins@5:31/km

    Run 5: 32km@4:57/km included 20km@5:00/km & 8k@4:50/km - a tough run but wasn't sure I'd manage the 8km increase in pace but was pleasantly surprised, last 1500m of that was quite tough though.

    This was the first week I added an extra run, I felt I still had the long run in my legs by the time Monday came around which should have been 45mins but added a very easy run that is just an active recovery really. And I've kept this going this week as well so now my week looks like: active recovery Monday, 45mins Tuesday, session Wednesday, rest day, 50mins Friday, Long run Saturday rest day Sunday.

    Gives me a monthly total of 18 runs (2runs not included as I'll include them in week 1 of march) for a distance 233km, only 7km short of the most kms I've ever put up in a month, back to back consistent months and really enjoying it at the moment. Have it locked down as a routine, there isn't a day where I question whether I'll go out, it's just always finding the right time to go out between meetings etc.

    This month has really given me confidence I can break 3:30 in Manchester, which 8 weeks ago I didn't think I would. Fitness seems to be improving every week. Just hope I can keep this going for another month, and being smart in my decision making and not pushing too hard when I shouldn't. Onwards and upwards!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    So I really haven't kept on top of this log at all. With work and a young family, find it hard to remember to post. But Manchester is tomorrow, I'm in the airport, so what better time to catch up!

    The end of February was my last message and I felt like things were starting to come together and since then I've put some very good weeks together, especially some of my long runs, nearly surprised myself with how well one of the 34k runs went.

    I managed to get through the whole block injury free but the last weekend before the taper and I developed a little cough, was in two minds about doing my final long run of 30k but did it in the end.

    Spoiler: I still have the cough!!

    I had it for a week and it was just annoying, then it got on to my chest. I've just been taking it easy, keeping hydrated and trying to rest more as I think it may have been lack of sleep that contributed towards this. But I haven't been sick with it, have been able to work, have had plenty of energy, I missed a few runs in the taper but it hasn't stressed me as I've put a great block together. It has been getting better daily this week, yesterday I was barely coughing. It's back a bit more today so just hoping that by tomorrow it is more like yesterday as I doubt it will be fully gone!

    In conclusion I've gained a lot of confidence from my block, put some great runs together and one or two grinds as well. Feeling fitter and stronger than before Dublin (well before this cough) The cough has knocked my confidence a bit as to how quick I can actually go on the day. Saying that I'm very confident of hitting 3:30, think only the wheels falling off will have me the wrong side of 3:30. Aiming for around 3:25, not going to be greedy and go out with that plan and just see what happens on the day. If I didn't have this cough for the past two weeks I'd probably have been confident of pushing for a 3:22-23ish time. Feeling very relaxed about the whole thing, again a contrast to Dublin, so will enjoy it and take it for what it is! Will definitely be on the lookout for an Autumn marathon as well, definitely caught the bug!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    I had started another message summarising my training for March but I'm on my phone and not sure what happened but ended up losing what I had written so I'll try and come back when I'm doing my post race log and post some details of some of the sessions and long runs I did through March.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    Hope it went very well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    Race recap

    I flew over to Manchester the day before the race, no hassle travelling and made my way to the house we were renting. A few of my friends were also running, so a good weekend was in store.

    That evening I went out for a short 15min shakeout and felt my chest have a slight burning sensation and was still coughing. One of the lads recommended Olbas oil, so I picked some up and it was soothing to breath in. I read the instructions and it said you can put a few drops in a bowl of hot water and leave it beside the bed overnight, which is what I did. I don't know if it was that or if my body just knew the race was coming but when I woke up, my chest was ok and I wasn't coughing, happy days!

    Very relaxed morning, had my hydration tab in a pint of water along with breakfast and a coffee, had all my gear laid out from the might before so was an easy morning. Did a few stretches and jumped in a can with one of the lads to the train station.

    Got off the train and made followed the crowds down to the bag drop, my mate was a 2 waves in front of me so he trotted off ahead of me in the bag drop and I had time to take it easy and send a quick video to my wife and daughter before dropping the phone with the bag.

    Long enough wait around, but made our way to the start line. Wave in front of us is at the line and we are beside a speaker do can hear the MC and music blaring, starting to get excited about going now and just want to start, some people break the tape and dash across to the wave in front. Off that wave goes and now we just have 10mins to wait.

    Kept a top on until this point and took it off just a few mins before off, just trying to keep loose. Feeling very calm and relaxed. Countdown begins and we're off, straight into a downhill section, I tried to keep this controlled and not get carried away, some people fly off and fly past but I stick to my guns and do my own thing. Plan was to go out a little easier than the pace I want to settle into.

    1st km was around the 5min mark so happy with that, nice and relaxed so just focus on keeping controlled, next km was 4:42 so a bit hot so trying to stay concious about not going too hard too early and trying to find the 4:50/km pace that I was aiming for. The next few km were a touch under 4:50 but felt good and didn't feel like I was pushing, if anything felt like I was pulling on the reigns a bit but to me that was perfect for how you should feel at this stage, so I thought!

    I remember after a few km turning on to Sir Matt Busby way, I'm a Utd fab so running past Old Trafford and back past it again was something special. There was a crowd at the junction here but it was eerily quiet, found it weird, almost felt like saying something haha!

    The next few km just rattled by, my focus was on my form and pace, checking in with myself and just trying to go by feel as much as possible. Keeping myself well hydrated and taking on gels when I'm supposed to. Plan was a gel every 35-40mins. I also had two soft flasks on me of SIS Beta carb mix, had trained with this and seemed to work well. Carried one for the first 50mins or so, as long as it took me to drink it, and had one in my belt.

    I was about an hour and a half in before I remembered my salt tablets, had a packet of those salt stick tabs in my belt. I'm a heavy enough sweater and thought it would help to take on some sodium to help avoid cramps like in Dublin but didn't cramp at all in training and had some hard long runs so if I stick to my nutrition plan I should be ok.

    All of these middle km's are a bit of a blur now, oh actually forgot to mention the crowds in the city in the first 5 or 6km, first big crowds of the day up a hill and turn back on ourselves, live video here on big screens, great crowd, Deansgate I think it's called. I remember a DJ under a bridge playing techno and saw runners coming back the other way so knew that would be a lift on the way back!!

    Somewhere around the early 20kms I remember starting to get a twinge in my left hamstring, surely not, this isn't happening again? I open my salt stick packet and take 3 of them. Trying to pay attention to my body now, don't want another disaster like Dublin.

    Enter Altrincham and up a big hill, who out this thing here!! Remember looking at the route elevation beforehand and looked fairly flat apart from the hill in the city early on wasn't expecting a hill, just some small ungulating hills, this is tough, need to adjust here, just keep the effort the same don't worry about paces, relief when I get to the top around the town and back down on the way out!

    Paces are good though, ticking off the km's around the 4:50/km mark so still happy. Approaching 30km, there's a water station ahead, I get in position to take a water and just before I grab one, bang, hamstring cramps. Momentary panic, grabbed the water, kept running, I'm telling myself to relax, just keep running, it's awkward, I'm limping, I drop off the effort slightly and I'm still running, some people are passing me now, maybe 500m later and it starts to fade and then it's gone. After another few hundred cautious metres I feel ok and get back into my stride again, back on pace now and start overtaking some people who passed me in that moment.

    Pass the 31k then the 32k mark, ok ran a km feeling good. My watch showing I'm still on pace so confidence is good. 33km-ish, bang hamstring cramps again. This time no panic so adjust my stride, few deep breaths and it passes, had taken all my salt tablets at this stage, can't really remember the timeline but remember taking them in quick enough succession to try and keep the cramps at bay.

    35km right hamstring cramps this time out of nowhere, oh crap this is worse than the other two. Try to stay calm, not easing. Have to drastically change my stride, really feel like I'm limping now, though it takes the pressure off the cramping muscle, and it passes. Not sure if my stride can return to normal, for the next couple of km I feel like I'm bounding along, if you're familiar with Ironman athletes, think Lionel Sanders style!! It's working though and surprisingly my pace isn't far off.

    The final 5km, legs feel ok, I'm bounding along, I know now no matter what happens I will finish and that gives me confidence. People starting to flag now, passing people who are cramping or just stop and walk, try actually shouting some words of encouragement at a few here, I'm thinking I'm cramping and I'm still going so you can too. Also gives me confidence, I'm cramping and I'm actually passing people!!

    38&39km I hit 4:54/km, pace dipped a bit. I get back into a good stride and 40&41km I hit 4:42's. I realise at the 40km mark my GPS is way out, watch beeped around 500m before the actual course marker. 42km 4:53/km, final stretch now, back to where we walked to the bag drop earlier I know it's the final stretch, quick glance at the watch, can I dip under 3:25 so just give it everything I've got, shoe down and I'm passing so many people, trying to find a line where I don't have to take evasive action as I'm wary any sudden movement may enduce another cramp. Cross the line, 3:24:47.

    Absoluteky delighted, 21min PB, just keep walking, don't want to stop in case I cramp but feeling ok, grab my medal and t-shirt and make my way to bag drop. Video call my wife and kids and have a bit of an emotional moment as it hits me what I've just done, what I've come through and dipped under my target time. Extremely proud of myself and delighted to have run such a good race. Feels like a bit of redemption after Dublin but also without Dublin I wouldn't have had the experience of cramping and don't think I would have been able to deal with that first cramp and subsequent cramps as I did without that experience, so I wouldn't change either of them!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    Race post mortem I'm left wondering as to why I'm still cramping.

    In Dublin, feeling sick and taking on too much water before the race, as when I started and tried to take gels and drink some water it was sloshing around in my stomach so didn't take on enough and ended up cramping.

    Manchester my hydration and nutrition were spot on, took a carb mix which had about 67g carbs in total and each gel had 40g and took 4.5 gels as well. Took about 1.3L of water during the race, including the carb mix of 500ml. And took 10salt tabs during the race.

    So, I think that hydration/nutrition should be ok. And now I'm thinking it's strength related, need to work a bit more on strengthening some muscle groups. It's all a learning experience so I'll bring that into my next marathon block, though haven't another one signed up for yet.

    Any thoughta or insights from more experienced runners as to what might be causing the cramps would be greatly appreciated!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭marathon2022


    Well done on the race, I did it last year and loved it.

    Do you use electrolytes during your training? Also 10 Salt tabs seems a lot, I'm not sure what brand or type they are but I only ever take one(decathlon brand) before the race.

    This article suggest poor form later in the race might contribute to the cramps, although with internet coaches it more opinion than actual science.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    They were actually the salt stick fast chews from Holland and Barrett. No, I didn't need to use them in training, I tested my hydration and gel startegy in training and executed it the exact same, had no issues in training with cramps, the worst I felt in training was my longest run of 36km where my muscles just felt sore and tight towards the end but more than likely you'll always feel that towards the end of that type of distance!

    Had the electrolyte tabs as backup really after what happened in Dublin and do think they helped. I wouldn't say 10 is a lot. I've listened to a good few running podcasts and a few I listened too had sweat tests done and said that "normal" sweaters need to replace about 800mg of sodium per hour of endurance activity. 2 of those tabs equate to 100mg so if anything maybe I underdosed! Though like I said I hadn't really practiced that as I didn't have cramping issues in training this time (I did before Dublin) so I considered myself better trained this time.

    Form breaking down definitely could be a factor, probably need more strength and core strength too. But also the cramps forced me to change form so maybe even that contributed to further cramps?!!

    There are so many factors and variables that go into a marathon it might be hard to pinpoint but definitely interesting and something I can work on going forward.

    Looking forward to concentrating on some faster stuff now for the next couple of months. Aiming to do a few 5km and 10kms. Haven't raced a 10km in nearly a year and been a year and a half since I did a 5km!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭marathon2022


    Good luck with the 5K and 10K, if its been a year you've probably forgotten how horrible they are ;-) , from the first k to the last, 5k all out is hard. Might be my least favorite distance.

    In relation to training without electrolytes or salts, why not? I know we have a "no need for electrolyte brigade around these parts" but why not take them for medium and long runs during Marathon blocks? 16 odd weeks of heavy sweating might leave you in deficit and contribute to the cramps when you eventually run the marathon, no harm in it(* Like 99% or online commentators and Journalists I'm not a doctor or nutritionist, just makes sense in my head)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭MooShop


    Yeah maybe it was an oversight, but I guess when it didn't bother me at all when the long runs were ramping up I thought that being better trained was the fix.

    Just found it a strange coincidence that in a race scenario I cramped exactly at the 30km mark even though both races were approached a lot differently.

    It's something I'll bring into my next block with me and probably try consuming electrolytes in training next time. It's only my second marathon and still a relatively new runner so just going to chalk all this down to experience and I'm sure I'll figure it out after a few more!!

    5k and 10k are a lot different alright but looking forward to the change in pace again. Will be interesting to see how I get on, have built a lot more endurance since those last races.



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