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Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power [Amazon] *Spoilers*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭byrne249


    ''Anyone else thinking this entire show is going to be one disaster after another?''

    Just reached this conclusion. One aimless event after another. Usually to justify a scene the writers had in mind, not by continuing the story(god forbid there was one), but by manipulating and creating events that lead to a sensationally splendorific scene. This was most evident in ep 6, the choice of the battleground was set up to satisfy the ending sequence they had in mind, no other reason. The decision making by characters has been beyond atrocious. Motivation doesn't exist. We as the audience still do not know why the orcs are meant to be evil, and as such the audience may actually have more in common with the orcs now than anybody else. The main characters are elitest scum with no redeeming qualities except maybe Elrond. Sauron is the only character given a motive and it actually comes across as noble. They have ****** it up catastrophically.

    I will say, before this started, I had hoped it would be an anthological history of middle earth with stories of Fingolfin and finarfin within the seasons leading up to the creation of the rings. Alas, it is but a cow, heavy heaving mass of sour milk trodding a trodden path with dour continence splayed in it's wake.

    Also, Considering the rings are given to the 9 Kings of Men etc why have these characters not even been hinted at yet? Are they just going to conjure up nine kingdoms of men out of nowhere in the coming seasons? We all know how it ends anyway. Isildur being a spoilt brat as usual like all the rest of the elitest scum. It's actually beyond pathetic they couldn't do something new with middle earth. Rant over! :)

    Edit: To be clear, I don't entirely hate it, but it should have been better. I think Xena is the archetype they were aiming for and failed. I'd argue Xena is considerably better than this too now that I think of it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,707 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Whilst a better episode one bug bear is they were fighting in pitch black night, here comes the cavalry in daytime and before you know it it's daylight everywhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,066 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Anyone think that the kid (who had the artifact thing) is sauron ?

    So did we see the birth of Mount Doom ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ahnowbrowncow




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,815 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭corkie


    Anyone come across a good meme for the single rope holding up Ostirith?


    If there is no rings forged in Season 1, this season should be called ......

    Key of Doom

    But that would have spoiled the reveal.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,815 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,659 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Just finished the last 2 episodes and this show is bloody awful. Even if one subtracts oneself from Tolkien and The Lord of the Rings, etc, it remains objectively poor. There are some good elements here and there, but they are scattered over a very wide area. The Elven interactions with khazad-Dum is fine enough and the character of Adar is probably the most compelling aspect of the entire program, largely down to the acting chomps of Joseph Mawle. But, by christ, is the rest of it simply a slog, if not an outright bore.

    I'm done and I just cannot waste any more time on this. If anyone is getting any entertainment out of this show then have at it but, for me, it is has to be marked down as a shocking misfire and considering the money that's been spent on it, it's almost criminal that they could bugger this up so spectacularly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭sekiro


    I think for sure there is an interesting conversation to be had there, that it's Lord of the Rings for people who don't care about Lord of the Rings, but I don't think we'd ever really see any mainstream sources asking the writers about that kind of thing.

    Amazon seem to have spent 250 million dollars on the rights and then decided to throw everything, except for a few location and character names, directly into the trash and go ahead and do their own thing. I'd love to know the reasoning behind that.

    Even if it's just as simple as the name Lord of the Rings will bring a lot of interest and viewers and money but the writers really have no interest in telling Tolkien's story at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,659 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's basically an expensive name rape that's really just a generic, and dull, fantasy TV show. It has little or nothing to do with Tolkien's world/peoples or his famous work and I think it's very fair to say that it's primarily aimed at people with just a passing interest, which would be more forgivable if it was any good. As it stands, I simply cannot see this go through 5 series if the level of quality remains this bad.

    Mind you, 'Z Nation' managed to drag itself through 4 years of absolute dross before someone pulled the plug, so you never know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,972 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Those 4 seasons of Z Nation probably cost less than one episode of this and Syfy could sell the show around the world to make money on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,659 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Perhaps, but I'm talking from a qualitative point of view. The Rings of Power may be a far more expensive show, but if it gets enough of a viewership it'll limp on, even though it's pants just like 'Z Nation' was.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    It depends on whether you are talking about the original source material or the films, which don't cover this period. The film audience aren't going to largely care about the lore or question it - they'll be looking for elements from the films such as the orcs, elves, dwarves, etc. The latest episode gave them finally what they had probably been waiting for.

    The reasoning is pretty much as you say - getting the viewers on board. It isn't unusual for this sort of thing, especially in films such as 'I Am Legend' (misses the whole damn point) or 'World War Z' (why even bother if you ignore the book?). People won't watch an unknown fantasy for the large part - or at least not for studios who are scared to pump money in. You can see this clearly with all the remakes and prequel series we have. It's rarer to get something always original these days, which was why I was pleased that Netflix's 'Shadow and Bone' largely delivered (IMO) despite its source material being that bit more unknown (I'd say 'Sandman', but Neil Gaiman is a very successful genre author so that was a safer bet).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭jones


    At this point I think rings of power seems to be damned no matter what it does in a way. I thought episode 6 was the best of the series so far but all I've heard since is negativity about how **** the whole thing is and nitpicking things that happen in many shows like they are massive issues. (There are genuine issues too of course).

    Don't get me wrong this show has a lot of problems (Galadriel being the main one for me) but I thought they played the latest episode very well. The battles and effects were very impressive IMO. Adar is a great character and an interesting twist on the uruk background. Elrond and Durin also very good. Even the whole mount Doom creation I found to be really well done and finally explained those tunnels everywhere which I originally thought were just bad story telling.

    Visually and musically this is lord of the rings to me. I can't really tell how well the story will play out but i'll judge it fully when I've watched all 8 episodes. I do have issues but none that ruin it for me maybe I'm just easier pleased just to be back in middle earth.

    I'm just surprised to see the excessive negativity. I just love being back in the world again even if it isn't the exact same as LOTR.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    Tripe, again I am amazed and just HOW BAD the dialogue is !!

    Like some 1st year (bad) literature student trying to copy Tolkien.

    I actually liked the stuff about Mithril origins in last weeks ep, but this stuff about Mount Doom ??? nah ... piss off!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,233 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    If they are willing to shift the second seasons focus onto Elrond or the Dwarves from Galadriel it would be a great sign!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭corkie


    The production has also announced that a new character, Círdan (not yet cast), one of the oldest and wisest of the elves, would be joining the ensemble.




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭Le Bruise


    This is the way I'm viewing it.

    I absolutely loved LOTR (grew up on Ralph Bakshi's take). Also read the hobbit as a young chap and relatively enjoyed the screen adaptation. After that I've googled some of the lore, history of Middle earth and the maps etc so know a few bits and pieces about that.

    I'm definitely enjoying this take. I'm letting a few plotholes/the odd dues ex machina slide as I'm happy to be seeing orcs, elves and dwarfs again, but some here are almost insinuating that if you have more than a passing interest in middle earth you shouldn't like this. Nitpicking, I could do without the Harfoots (and some of the scenes on Numenor) but all in all it's been enjoyable, particularly how Mordor is being created and the whole 'who is Sauron/who'll become a Nazgul'. Hoping for a strong finish to the season as episode 6 has been the best of the lot for me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    When the creators live in the Hollywood bubble all their lives and are completely oblivious to what is relatable to the average man an woman you get scenes like this , timestamped bellow..


    At least the show is being ridiculed into oblivion because if you accept mediocrity you're going to get a constant supply of mediocrity. Thankfully the majority aren't easily impressed by shooting arrows and exploding Orcs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    It's very bad. Galadriel has gone from annoying, to being a Karen to now being a full on genocidal maniac in a handful of episodes. Adar is one of the few sympathetic characters in this show.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,995 ✭✭✭billyhead


    Agree about Adar. He's the best character in the show. Will we find out who is Sauron in this season?



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    What works with Adar is how he manages screen presence but in a low key manner. No scenery chewing needed - he can convey a lot just in his looks. He's also able to work with the dialogue he's given and doesn't make it sound nearly as pretentious as when it comes out of Galadriel's mouth.

    It would be great if they had someone like David Milch doing dialogue - there was a man who knew how to spin a smart turn of phrase in 'Deadwood'. Even more recently, with 'The Great', Tony McNamara's scripts shows how you can do wit in a period piece.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭TomSweeney




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭liamtech


    This started off as a rumour/leak - unconfirmed - as the show progressed though, we have seen so many hints

    • his opening line of dialogue - 'looks can be deceiving'
    • 'Orcs chased him from his home' - actually now fits with Adar's version of events. Adar and the orcs loyal to him done a number on Sauron
    • his interest in forging - what business would the king (or in any case, someone of Royal Lineage) have being a metalsmith
    • His recognition of Adar - while Adar failed to recognize him - Sauron cannot ACTUALLY DIE, though he may have received a corporeal mortal blow - his spirit endures and we know he can retake any form he wishes
    • he actually stated he took the pouch from a dead man - perhaps he did!

    It is undoubtedly Hallbrand - and in a show that has continued to disappoint, this will be the final nail in the coffin. He has saved both Galadriel, and Elendil from almost certain death. Which cannot be tallied with events to come.


    Its a terrible show. Made frightening by the fact that so many now charge to defend it. Even this latest episode is being revered as a season high! Which in theory it was. However that is not a high enough bar to jump.

    Prediction

    The mask will slip some how - i would have to imagine that the southlanders, while licking their volcanic injuries, will begin to inquire with Hallbrand, and will realize he is not one of them. And then Galadriel will begin to question it.

    And then he shall.... reveal himself .... and probably vanish off somewhere to prepare for season 2.


    Its all so predictable. The only way it could be more predictable would be if he began winking at the audience. Or breaking the forth wall with 'little do they know' statements. Or if he begins recounting his aspirations to Galadriel.

    Galadriel: What will you do now Lord Hallbrand

    Hallbrand: Well, im a humble man. I want to rebuild my kingdom. Its armies, expand our influence. Iv often thought of taking up some hobbies ye know? World domination, spending some time as a giant disembodied eye staring out across my lands. Also gonna take up metallurgy! What about you Glad!

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,815 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭Arne_Saknussem


    Surely to Jaysis they're not going to do Twilight-style horseshite between Galadriel & Sauron?

    Like i know the writing has been abysmal so far but they can't be that stupid, can they??



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Jodie Comer would have been a great pick to play Galadriel. The real Galadriel that is , not the Magua / William Wallace hybrid monster that was created by Amazon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,659 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Jodie Comer wouldn't have been any better than Morfydd Clark. It's the writing/directing that's at fault here, not the actress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    Also the violence in that scene between the Orc and Arondir, the black blood squirting out of his eye onto Arondirs face and mouth - disgusting.


    Tolkien is not a world of graphic for shock violence*, and takes me out of it, it would be like having graphic sex like GoT (which I believe Bezos wanted?) - just does not belong in a Tolkien show.


    [*yes yes I am aware there were heads chopped off in the PJ films, but it was quick and clean ... just like any violence in the books]



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭liamtech


    I understand that the original Amazon Order, was effectively to make this the new Game of Thrones - Also apparently intimacy coaches were involved - so i am expecting some eh... content... along those lines

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭corkie




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Not sure if brandifoot gave up her friends whereabouts to the wizards or threw them of course. It would be only fair to think she ratted him out given their history of selfish behaviour.

    It was great when the wizard incinerated their camp. One of the best moments of the show for me.

    Lol@ galadriel walking away from a volcanic eruption and not a hair on her head was out of place. How can there be any suspense or tension in future episodes when the main character is invincible and indestructible.

    Mordor was written on the screen because the showrunners think the audience is stupid. The show is stupid. The lack of depth and substance gets exposed badly when there is no action on the screen. Another crap episode.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭corkie


    @BruteStock Mordor was written on the screen because the showrunners think the audience is stupid.

    But the crux here comes from the most fundamental — and nerdiest — origin of The Lord of the Rings: J.R.R. Tolkien was a professor of linguistics. And so most of the things in Middle-earth don’t just have names, but names in the setting’s multiple invented languages. The name “Mordor” itself didn’t come from orcs or any of Sauron’s forces. Dwarves called it “Nargûn,” and Middle-earth’s elves coined the word “Mordor,” which means “dark land,” that was subsequently adopted by humans as well.

    Adar, a guy who defiantly refers to himself by the orc word for orc — uruk — rather than an elven label, doesn’t seem like the type to name his new land something elvish, much less to name it something negative. It also wouldn’t make much sense if he came up with the name that elves would later use for Mordor on the spot.

    One reviewer critiqued that it wasn't said and another glad they went with powerpoint display of it.

    Timestamped:- https://youtu.be/mkbRDYOs4cY?t=709

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,636 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Isildur in peril and they cut to the aussie billie barry kid singing a song...

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    Rubbish episode, such cringe, why did they do Mordor as a title card at the end and not have Ardar say it ?



    and then look at the camera and wink - I mean they might as well at this stage ...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Just watched the latest episode, the first great episode, Yay.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    The explanation for the Mordor naming bit is in a post above.


    Enjoyed the episode myself. Galadriel ate a bit of humble piece and lost a bit of the arrogance, making her a teeny bit less cold. Not a patch on Elrond who has genuine warmth and who is a character I can actually care about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,630 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Writing 'Mordor' on the screen was so lame. Just have Adar say it. Who cares if the nerds or purists would nitpick? They're going to find fault with all this anyway. It was a really cringeworthy moment that took me out of the moment. Not crazy about how easily everyone accepted Halbrand as king either.

    On a more positive note, I do like the friendship between Elrond and Durin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,921 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭corkie




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Elrond and Durin are the saviours of the show. the rest is all style and little substance. Honestly, if I thought this was a low-budget series I would be happy enough, but Amazon got very little value for their money here.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,538 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    As this is coming to the end of the series, I think I can now fairly judge it. I was looking forward to this, even though I was a bit concerned that they didn't have the rights to the silmarillion and so it was just based on the appendices. I want to split my views into firstly the views of it as a stand alone TV show i.e. ignoring JRR Tolkien's books, the Peter Jackson movies and all the stuff around the production etc, before looking at those things at the end.

    There are some good things about this show. There are several beautifully rendered CGI locations such as the Mines of Moria, Numenor and the eruption of Mt Doom are all visually stunning. There are also some amazing landscape shots from New Zealand which are also class.

    But everything else is bad. Like, really, comically bad.

    Some of the other CGI is really cheap looking. The wargs etc are jarring.

    The writing is terrible. There are a lot of clichés, and there are weird switches between modern dialogue and anachronistic "fantasy land" language which is jarring. "The sea is always right" is a really baffling catchphrase.

    The acting is for the most part mediocre. The actor who plays Adar is really good, but all of the elves are terrible. I don't know if it is how they are directed or if they are just bad, but it's as though the only way they know how to play fantasy beings is to breathlessly whisper their lines. Whenever they try to make a rousing statement e.g. "there is a tempest in me" or "I am Elrond Halfelfin" it fails to land.

    The plot is not very coherent. People seem to just be where they need to be without any explanation for same.

    The protagonists are, for the most part, evil. Whether it is Gilgalad trying to manipulate people, Elrond breaking his oath (implicitly, if not directly), the dwarfs are antagonistic of others without any explanation for same on screen, the racist Numenoreans, the callous harfoots leaving their sick behind and threatening to steal the wheels from their carts and, of course, Galadriel telling Adar that she will commit genocide and will enjoy doing so.

    The bad guys, by contrast, have understandable and relatable motives. The orcs are judged as evil by the other races because of how they look, but really they just want a place to live and not be hunted etc. Adar cares for the orcs like they are his children and exercises mercy on others. He is reasonable and is just trying to lead his people to safety. I am kinda wondering if Ryan Johnson is involved in this and it is going to turn out that Sauron was the good guy all along and everything we hear from Galadriel is propaganda to justify her own wars of conquest.

    There seem to be scenes missing in editing. The Queen of Numenor goes from not even permitting Galadriel to leave because no one can leave Numenor, to swinging behind her 100% and commissioning an armada to fight alongside....who exactly?

    Irrational choices are explained away in an off hand manner or not at all - Isuldur gets himself and his friends kicked out of Navy school because he hears the voice of destiny calling him to West Numenor. Then we forget about that because it isn't really important. Or abandoning the fortress becacuse it was a trap, but then going back to the village and making the pub their "keep". But they already had a keep, and a much better one too. Lenny Henry refuses to banish the harfoots, but they don't let them walk with them either, despite having a philiosophy of leave no one behind. But then they catch up with each other and are reconciled off screen, so its all fine. Etc etc etc. These are described as nit picking by some on the thread, but to be honest, they are so baffling that they take you out of it and break the suspension of disbelief.

    There are no real stakes on screen. Of course, we know that Sauron is going to be forging rings of power etc, but it isn't apparent from what we see on screen what the scenario is. As such, it is hard to get invested when all we really know about Sauron is that he was Morgoth's servant, killed Galadriel's brother and is out there somewhere.

    The mcguffin sword is just a key to open a damn, which requires trenches to be built at exact spots so that the water is funneled into a volcano so it can explode on demand. A great feat of engineering and improbable feat of geology and all but fine. If there was a sudden eruption of mount doom, would it not just be a one off instead of starting up an active volcano for thousands of years. Why not make it that the magic key turns on Mount Doom like an old engine or something? It would at least be coherent, if somewhat lazy.

    Overall, it's just not engaging. It is boring, and annoying, but it looks good.

    In terms of JRR Tolkien books etc, Numenoreans are supposed to be a noble race that get corrupted. In this, they are just a bunch of racist island people. Mithril is just a metal. It doesn't cure sick trees. It wasn't created by a silmarill being smashed in a fight between a balrog (because....why not) and some unspecified Mayar, and the symbolism of the silmarils being in the earth, the sea and the sky is broken. The health of Elves isn't directly linked to the health of trees, it's much more metaphorical than that. They are part of the old, and natural world, and are being destroyed by greed and industrialisation etc. Why exactly does mithril cure trees? How did it get from the top of the mountain to the bottom - can it burrow into the ground?

    Having Isildur and Elendil on screen for this part of the story is a bit like the young indiana jones tv show. At the start the Queen doesn't know who Elendil is, but then suddenly he is her field marshall. In the books, he's a king.....

    Overall, this is an absolute turkey, and I'm facinated that some people can actually enjoy it. I would be interested to hear from those people what else they like etc. I could imagine it would appeal to someone who wants something a bit more interesting than soap operas, but not as complicated or well made as Game of Thrones. That seems to be a very niche audience to me.

    I also think it's mad that the critics reviews on rotten tomatoes were mostly positive after only a few episodes. There has been largely nothing since. You can't really judge a series based on just a few episodes and then leave it at that. I have been following Erik Kain who writes for Forbes a bit, and it is interesting to see how he has gone from enjoying the show to hating it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭byrne249


    You must be one of the 'Patently Evil' people Amazon aretalking about, lol! Those reviews are essentially paid for and written before the first episodes ever air. The forbes guy is one of the few who backtracked. My theory is amazon knew this was rubbish before it aired and decided to double down on a diversity and racism media campaign rather than acknowledge the show at all. They are at it again calling people evil for not liking their show, what is the logical fallacy when you defend something from a perspective that nobody attacked? Idiocy???

    This is what happens when you forego pilot episodes, audience feedback and are given a blank cheque.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,710 ✭✭✭jackboy


    The most important thing is to have interesting characters, which this sh ow is lacking.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    On the above - critics reviewing half of season, etc is quite standard especially when shows don't have all their episodes dropping in one lot. Most TV shows are reviewed like this. I think it's a bit daft too but there's no conspiracy angle.

    I'd be curious to see what the wider public is making of this show, people who aren't invested in the lore from the books but who just have some famiiiarity with the films. While I'm enjoying the show (and I know there are plenty of others too), I do not like the likes of Lenny Henry and others refusing to listen to any criticism because of some initial, very small group of people making racist comments and lumping everyone under that. Again, it's nothing particularly unusual in these things (I suspect it's happening with 'She-Hulk' right now for example) but surely it's in their interest to take on board some points. I mean, if nothing else, it's pretty much universally agreed that Elrond/Durin are a good pairing and that Galadriel is cold and unlikeable. Maybe the latter is by design but, if it is, they'd want to give us something to make us care a bit more soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,307 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    It makes the Lord of the rings look like some value



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,538 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    I know youre being tongue in cheek but I really dont care about all this controversy. I dont think they preempted bad publicity though - I think they genuinely thought that the show would be good.

    But like, how do you give a billion dollar television project to two guys who have never made a television show before? Surely if Amazon had any sense they would recognise that mistakes were made and bring in a professional crew!



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,276 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Well, the fact that season 2 is in pre-production now but they say it'll be a couple of years before it's released indicates to me a massive rethink is happening behind the scenes.

    I sincerely hope they replace those two writers asap because they couldn't write a decent character if their life depended on it. They've somehow managed to turn a character like Galadriel into a cold heartless monster, which in fairness takes some doing. I think they've forgotten who the actual enemy was supposed to be in this series.

    How do you have 7 hours of content about the rings of power and really not even mention them once or start to set the scene for their creation.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,233 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Ditching Galadriel in Season 2 and focusing instead on Elrond and the Dwarves would make it a much better season.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,276 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Which should be easily achieved. Galadriel isn't a "main" protagonist when it comes to the rings. There's a lot of rings to be dished out, 19 in total, and little to no ground work laid. They've 9 men to find, 7 dwarfes, and 3 elves, plus the one to rule them all.

    A semi decent writing team would have clearly worked some sort of arc as the the how and why by now, rather than the swashbuckling adventures of an evil Elf that we've been served to date.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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