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Cork traffic

  • 06-08-2022 3:21pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭ofcork


    A lot of changes being made to traffic lanes from monday 2 way on brian boru bridge,2 lanes going eastbound on merchants quay,to get to northside now from patrick street will have to go down merchnts quay!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭whatever76


    Any update on how this went today ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,800 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    I was driving in town yesterday and was no 2 lane eastbound on merchants quay. Unless was too early, but it was at like 11



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,804 ✭✭✭thomil


    I currently take the bus to work, at least until the work on the Patrick's Quay cycle lanes is completed, so I don't have too much in the way of first hand driving experience, but the morning was, apart from some heavier than usual traffic along MacCurtain Street an some grade A idiots on the road, pretty okay.

    The evening was a different story though. The new layout on Merchant's Quay is a nightmare! I think it took my bus (205 from Kent Station) ten minutes to make it from Parnell Place to the top of Patrick Street. Two lanes of traffic coming off Parnell Place were trying to squeeze into the single westbound lane, with predictable results. What looked like a collision in the Merchant's Quay bus lane didn't really help things either.

    This was the first day, so it will likely take some time for people to get used to the new traffic flow, but I'm not too enamoured with the changes so far...

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭whatever76


    Just drove new route around 1.30 - I do this journey alot to get to top of patricks hill from city hall - parnell place -> merchants quay -> patricks bridge . ! Pleasantly surprised ... was quicker, drove up summerhill instead of going back down the quay and cut up york hill to get to Patricks Hill ! I have reservations though what be like during evening rush hour and when schools are back !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭ofcork


    They are working on the 2nd eastbound lane still saw traffic last night and today coming up patrick street and going straight over the bridge or turning left onto lavitts quay.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,647 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    There's chaos at every turn of the lights by the Opera House.

    Despite loads of signage everywhere, cars are still insisting on turning right onto Christy Ring Bridge. There is no priority for them in the lights sequence so they end up blocking people trying to go west along the quays and sometimes blocking traffic coming off the bridge. People really are asshats!

    The junction needs a guard at peak times, for a while, I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭yogmeister


    Red light cameras would sort out alot of the traffic issues around the city if the lights were correctly sequenced but unfortunately city hall have other priorities. We dont live in a big city so it cant be that hard to manage . I dont understand why they seem to put the horse before the cart always and only do a half assed effort . None of the lanes should of been changed till the road works on patrick s quay and merchants quay were finished .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,115 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    This has probably been effected in rush hour by two nights of crashes on the south ring.... and one night of crashes near the Elysian plus a second night of traffic lights out in that area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,647 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    The cause is people refusing to use a different route despite a shed load of signs.

    Law abiding drivers, if they find that there is no right turn will go straight on and adapt their route. Self entitled people will turn right regardless of the obstruction they cause.

    Of course, if they had taken heed of all the signs on Patrick's Street and Parnell Place, they wouldn't be in that position, anyway.

    No excuse. It's real asshat behaviour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,647 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I think we badly need red light cameras with effective enforcement.

    It had become completely normalised for 1 to 3 cars to run lights at almost every sequence of most lights. Just spend a few minutes at any junction and you will see.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,647 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    So the guy with the trailer was preventing traffic going East along the quays and another car behind him also trying to turn right was preventing anyone going west along the quays.

    In all the chaos, there's lots of people running the lights too, straight through the pedestrian crossing!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭shnaek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    I was at this junction as a pedestrian over the weekend waiting to cross and I noticed whole-sale ignoring of the new rules. The thing is that the timing of the lights, on both sides of the bridge, have now been altered. So now if motorists try to make that (now) illegal right-hand turn onto Christy Ring bridge to cross in the northerly direction they seem to end up stuck in the yellow box, blocking the traffic travelling west to east along the southern bank of the river.

    Being charitable I assume that people don't realise that the rules have changed. There's a crappy little temporary sign hanging off a lamppost saying that there are no right hand turns. apart from buses, but a lot of people probably wouldn't even see it.

    The timing of the pedestrians crossing next to the Opera House seems to have changed slightly too. In the past the traffic travelling east would get the green light to go across the bridge, then to go straight ahead, then they would both go red and the pedestrians would get a green light. Now there seems to be an extra 30 seconds or so where the traffic coming in the opposition direction (from Merchants quay travelling west) still has a green light before the pedestrians get their green light.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,647 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I'm afraid I can't be charitable and accept that anyone, when they get to that junction thinks they are allowed to turn right. The lanes have changed (only one heading west on Lavitt's Quay), yet no one is accidentally driving on the wrong side of the road!

    There's about 4 large signs along the length of the Quay, signs at Parnell Place and on Patrick's Street (where they shouldn't be coming from after 3,anyway). They know!

    That extra time in the lights sequence is to allow busses to turn right onto the bridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭ofcork


    There is also supposed to be no left turn from patrick street to lavitts quay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭BurnsCarpenter


    Anybody know is there a particular email or form to report issues with traffic lights? On MFR turning left onto Melbourn rd, the filter light doesn't turn green when it seems like it should (while traffic from Melbourn is turning right onto MFR)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,647 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    It's still the same chaos with the right hand turn onto Christy Ring Bridge, complete with at least one car driving straight through the pedestrian crossing at almost ever sequence of the lights.

    People are blatantly ignoring the restriction in the knowledge that there is zero enforcement - same as Patrick's Street restrictions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭ofcork


    So they are still coming down lavitts quay and turning right onto the bridge?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,715 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    In their droves! Absolutely zero enforcement. I see cars turning right there literally every time I pass. Sometimes there's a few queuing to do it and they block cars behind from going straight on as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Unless they can put those plastic bollards there maybe,im coming up cornmarket street to get to the bridge!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,715 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    Can't. Bus is allowed to turn right there, plus there is crossing traffic from the bridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭what the hell!


    Traffic seems to be crazy all over the city. And a lot of the time the cause seems to be sequencing of lights. Lights are turning red with a green man every 30 seconds at Heineken. All backed up in the mornings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,810 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    i have to say walking into town at 8am and the junction of mccurtain street and summer hill with the new lay out has been a sight to behold. It does make you wonder do some people not care about the changes there and also makes you wonder how some people passed their test.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,001 ✭✭✭cantalach


    I was going N-S over the Christy Ring Bridge today and while stopped at the lights about four cars made the illegal right turn onto the bridge. What really took the biscuit though was about 2h later when passing through the same junction I saw an Expressway bus do the same thing. The complete lack of enforcement is absolutely mental.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,001 ✭✭✭cantalach


    What’s weird is that I’ve not heard a single horn blown. I reckon the majority of the muppets turning right have no idea about the change, so unless they start getting blasted out if it they’re never going to learn. I guess the people being held up don’t know either!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,647 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Seriously, they can't not know. The lane layout is completely changed, there are big, multiple signs. They know.

    It would be of more concern if drivers managed to not see any of the signs.

    It is, surprisingly rare to hear compliant drivers blowing their horns at arseholes holding up the traffic, alright. It does happen, though.

    Buses are allowed turn right onto the bridge, btw. Problem is that there's rarely room for a bus because of all the self entitled twits making the illegal right turn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,715 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    I've blown a few of them out of it alright (I'm invariably going straight through west - east), makes zero difference. Shouted it out the window at one guy blocking the lane for those behind and got told to **** off etc.


    Have also come the other way and there is no chance you could miss the signs saying no right turn - it's just assholes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,647 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    This is not true of any traffic lights.

    Far too much priority is given to cars, rarely are pedestrians given frequent enough or long enough crossing times.

    Don't try to blame pedestrian crossings for traffic when you are the traffic.

    Traffic problems are caused by cars and exacerbated by poor driver behaviour - notably, blocking junctions and breaking lights.

    Post edited by the beer revolu on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭thehairygrape


    Luckily haven’t driven in town since the new rules came in. Stood on Patrick’s Bridge the other day watching the traffic. Bit chaotic alright. Loads of cars turning right at Patrick’s Bridge and the Opera Hse going west. I just can’t figure out why the rules changed. Turning right was never too much of a problem when I used that route regularly. I saw one woman picking up an elderly gentleman from the side of Merchants Quay shopping centre and turn right on Patrick’s Bridge. I was trying to figure out what else she could have done? Where’s the next opportunity to cross the river? No one blew the horn at her and she didn’t really hold up any traffic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,647 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    That's a very specific scenario. She would have to go as far as North Gate Bridge to cross the river from there.

    Generally, though, if you want to go north, you shouldn't be on Merchant's Quay, at all. You should turn right at the bus station, rather than left onto Merchant's Quay.

    These changes are part of wider changes to traffic flow. I don't really fully understand it yet, but the changes aren't finished.

    But drivers just need to follow the rules, irrespective of whether they agree with them or not. Otherwise, chaos reigns. What other rules can we ignore? One way streets? Pedestrian streets? Already yellow boxes and traffic lights are routinely ignored. Drivers really need to cop on in a big way and an Gardaí need to ensure they do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭what the hell!


    No what I meant was the pedestrian light is coming on even when there are no pedestrians. It should only come on when the button has been pressed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭thehairygrape


    Fair enough. No argument there but turning right at North Gate bridge brings you up Shannon St. just makes no sense if, say, that woman wants to go to Montenotte. I’m just sympathetic to her tbh. If there’s a wider strategy put the proper infrastructure in place and then enforce it. If people cant see the sense in a plan they’ll ignore it, and the Gardai won’t bother to enforce it. I was standing on the Bridge trying to figure out how to get from Boreenmana Road to Mallow. I’ve decided to go down Lower Glanmire rd and take the North Link. But it’s a bit counterintuitive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,647 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    You go right at Parnell place, left over Brian Boru bridge and left along the north quays. Simple.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,647 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    It's not coming on anywhere near every 30 seconds, that's just a ridiculous exaggeration.

    And this is not the cause of traffic build up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,647 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    But yes, that particular scenario of picking someone up on Merchant's Quay is problematic, all right.

    The answer would be to pick that person up elsewhere, perhaps Parnell Place?

    I mean you can't legally pick up someone on Patrick's Street between 3 and 6.30. You'd just need to collect elsewhere. It's just a fact that you cannot drive your car anywhere you want to.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭thehairygrape


    Missed that but about left on Brian Boru bridge. That makes sense. Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭what the hell!


    Do you drive through it every morning? I can video it for you if you like. It shouldn’t be coming on without being pressed anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,001 ✭✭✭cantalach


    Ah, didn’t know buses were permitted. That would explain it. I was thinking it was a bit brazen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,647 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    You won't video anything to evidence your every 30 seconds claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 Seaandwind


    Traffic is nuts the last few weeks. On Thursday it took me over 1hr 15 mins to get from Blackpool to Douglas. My commute is one that cannot be done by public transport. Lanes blocked, double parking, yellow boxes filled. Breaking red lights at junctions is pretty standard too.

    On Friday I went in to the city again and it was consternation by Heineken. Stand still. Gave up on my plans. Made an escape out of the city and went the Tunnel way which was surprisingly much faster than usual.

    It is hard to judge it these days, on the other hand it took me 40 minutes to go from Douglas to the tunnel on Friday morning due to a lane closure there. Ridiculous times.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,662 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    Traffic around Bishopstown has been downright insane the last couple of weeks. It’s so backed up along the Bishopstown road that all approaches in every direction get backed up for miles, and then desperate drivers block access to lanes on the Bishopstown roundabout as they attempt to make progress. It holds up traffic going in every direction that approach from the N71.

    It’s new for me to drive in that direction so I don’t know whether this is an anomaly as a result of colleges going back, or just standard for Bishopstown?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭what the hell!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭notAMember


    Unreal. Not a single pedestrian and the lights going every 18 seconds I counted. Madness. Fair play to you for recording it.


    Send it to a councillor, their email addresses are on the city hall website I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭notAMember


    Traffic is hairy alright. Took me 1.15 hrs to drop a couple of kids from Boreenmanna Rd to the travel lodge on Kinsale road roundabout and get back to Boreenmanna on Friday afternoon. Place was like a car park.


    It took me a while to figure out how to get out the limerick road from town some morning last week as well. I know the roads have changed but the signage is confusing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,715 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    This is by design. I presume they are aping the situation in Dublin where anti-car council officials quite openly exploited Covid to introduce similar light cycles on the spurious grounds of "social distancing" and similar, but really just to frustrate motorists. I imagine the Cork officials would be quite proud of the video!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭notAMember


    The last thing we should want to do is emulate Dublins policy. The air quality is even worse than ours. It’s not reasonable to say they want to reduce emissions and at the same time have a sequence like this that exponentially increases car emissions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,715 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    Despite many public pronouncements, these people could'nt give a toss about emissions, public transport or anything else other than a fig leaf for their agenda which is as below - witness the much vaunted BusConnects programme which actually features more cycle lanes than bus lanes.

    1. Punish motorists.

    2. More cycle lanes, and God forbid they not be 100% perfect.

    3. Go to 1.


    These people genuinely believe that making motorists sit in traffic will engender in them a road to Damascus moment and they'll hop out of their cars and onto a bike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭notAMember


    Yes, you're right.

    Another example is the removal of all the mature trees on boreenmana road to replace it with a bus lane. We know international best practice is to use trees in cities to create shade, reduce noise pollution, improve the appearance of the city, improve air quality, habitats for wildlife etc. And mature trees are not equivalent to saplings, so should be protected. I am 100% sure if they had "keep existing trees" as a requirement, the plan would not remove them, it would be part of the traffic separation.

    And don't get me started on the stinking latrines that are the electronic trees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,265 ✭✭✭Mav11




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,647 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    It would be awful if we had a proper functioning public transport system, then people couldn't use the excuse of there not being suitable public transport for going absolutely everywhere in their cars,irrespective of need or options.

    Funny, I don't hear any weeping or any talk at all from all these tree lovers when a new road is built but as soon as a single tree is removed in a measure that may disrupt car use in any way, it all about the trees and their environmental benefits!

    It rings very false to my ears, I'm afraid.



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