Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

"Green" policies are destroying this country

Options
14914924944964971062

Comments

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    There is'nt a hope of getting new windows and attic insulation through the OSS(one stop shops) for 6k nowadays,try multiplying that by 3 and you might come close.The retrofit scheme is free money for the installers and OSS and those with connections😉, price gouging is endemic in grant schemes.The squeezed middle suffer again at the hands of the greens.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    And what makes you think the green saviour "interconnects" wouldn't be used as weapons of war in the future ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭monseiur


    I visited north Clare at the weekend and inquired about a large wind farm which we could see in the distance on the Clare Galway border which is no longer in operation. There are 70 or more large turbines which I was told can produce enough electricity to power 60,000 homes ! It seems that the planning board refused retrospective planning permission so the ESB have now decided to decommission & dismantle the whole operation which is in service for perhaps 20 years. With power cuts imminent is this the case or is there more to it ? Surely a temporary reprive could be granted until this current (excuse pun) crisis passes. It's shocking news (excuse another pun!)



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    No, most people will still be unable to afford a Tesla.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Planning: returning Ireland to the 1700's as quickly as possible.

    All is going to plan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭Mebuntu


    The hardware was delivered to his door. He can pay it off in 10 years using the electricity returned to the grid to lower his overall bill.

    According to an expert on radio this morning the network buys your electricity returned to the grid for buttons and then sells it back to you and everyone else at a massive profit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    They very well may be targeted too. But that would be direct military aggression. When OPEC decided to flex their muscles in the the 1973 Oil Crisis causing oil prices to quadruple, we got caught up in a dispute between Iran and Israel. And again in 1979 when the prices tripled again because of the Iranian revolution

    Having our own energy supply that is distributed geographically provides some protection against these global economic proxy wars



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Having our own energy supply that is distributed geographically provides some protection against these global economic proxy wars

    So you'd be in favour of our own indigenous fossil fuel supplies too?



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I don't think there will be any temporary blackouts in Ireland. There is a risk that we might have some, but nobody wants to quantify that risk while you and others are talking about how there are inevitably going to be blackouts this winter.

    We have a roadmap to get off fossil fuels. We need to accelerate this, not take giant leaps backwards because of fear mongering posts



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    What is the percentage risk that there will be grid outages this winter?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    We’ve been over this before.

    The percentage risk would be much lower if we had an LNG terminal and gas storage but the CRU knows that, Eirgrid knows that, everyone knows that- bar you, your dear leader and the your little cohort on here.

    But carry on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Is there something dodgy going on with Shannon LNG? It's possible

    John McElligot, of Safety Before LNG, said he made the AIE request because he felt "something was not right with the way council officials acted over the last 15 years with Shannon LNG".

    "Everything they did always seemed to be a box-ticking exercise determined to please Shannon LNG and I had lost trust in the council years ago.

    "€4 million is so big it speaks for itself," McElligot said.

    "You'd have to wonder why a developer would pay millions before they needed to," McElligot said.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    @Mebuntu

    According to an expert on radio this morning the network buys your electricity returned to the grid for buttons and then sells it back to you and everyone else at a massive profit.

    Hardly surprising. They are essentially selling into a glut and buying from shortage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia




  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    That depends on your contract. In Holland there is real competition with more and more companies entering the market.Even though the grid is state owned the contract is between you and the energy supplier who takes back the energy generated by the solar panels for a fixed price. In my brother's case that actually isnt buttons. He did his homework crunching the numbers. On the mainland things usually are different which means better competition as there are more players in the field plus the numbers are bigger. Ireland remains an outlier. It is on the perifery with only 5 million inhabitants. Like insurance, it's a numbers game. Plus, the UK has left the EU which causes hickups and we are at the end of the line. Green energy depends on localized production put to use where it is generated. That is the main drawback of the technology. I actually see a great future for wind power, in time, with the backup of reliables. If we compare ourselves with Denmark which has a lot of wind power, they still heavily rely on fossil fuels. You just cannot run your main industry on wind and solar. Anywhere. Period.The Greens really dont care as they'd rather get rid of the whole lot and we all go to our local jobs on our bicycles and get home to our solar panelled small hobbit houses where we weave our willow baskets and tell tales around an open fire..i mean radiators.They want an end to Capitalism and a reset, no matter at what cost. Anyway, im drifting off a bit..



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    No wonder people call DaCor a poster boy for the Greens. It's all blue skies for him!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Lets introduce massive sources of intermittent power into the European electricity grid, concurrent with a reluctance to produce own fossil fuels, an over reliance on cheap steady pipeline sourced natural gas from Russia in the case of the continent and Norway & UK in the case of Ireland, then refuse to consider nuclear, while simultaneously attacking baseload power, in parallel drive up the demand for electricity for heat exchangers, transport and commerce (data centers in particular)

    The policies governing the grid in Ireland are such that the grid operators cannot guarantee availability of power and blackout conditions are the inevitable trajectory. How do you put a probability on political risk?

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Advertisement
  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A lot done, a lot more to do, things are slowly starting to get better with emission sources getting tackled one by one.

    Pollution will decrease as will particulate matter so, to use your analogy, blue skies will be a shade bluer




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning."

    Here is a discussion on the European energy crisis. Germanys Energiewende is going to be that horrible warning as they take down their domestic chemical industry, their production output depends on this and destroys the value of their enterprises.


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,204 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Feck off for a 100 odd pages, come back & DaCor is still here tooth & nailing it. That is dedication



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I think we have a record for the number of straw men arguments anyone has fit into a single post



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia



    Who is this guy and why did you think he is a valid source?

    Does the bird have a degree in climatology?

    Post edited by Akrasia on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭ps200306


    This really says it all ...

    Akrasia: Quit with the scaremongering about catastrophic consequences from temporary electricity blackouts. Do you know what is catastrophic? Greenland Ice sheets melting.


    ps200306: For each "temporary blackout" that Ireland endures, how much less Greenland ice will melt?


    Akrasia: We have a roadmap to get off fossil fuels. We need to accelerate this, not take giant leaps backwards because of fear mongering posts.


    The poster knows right well that Ireland's emissions reductions efforts will save 0.0°C of warming. It won't stop any Greenland ice melting. None. When this is pointed out to him he switches to "we have to get off fossil fuels because ... reasons". How can you argue with this level of illogic? I'm starting to agree with the previous poster who said you can't have a reasoned argument with Greens because they're not coming from a place of reason. But maybe there's still value in exposing their dangerous obsessions before they wreck the economy beyond repair.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Yanis Varoufakis on how renewable energy producers are scamming us via marginal pricing policies:




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    On a side note I got thinking. Offshore what happens in storm season. They wont be working and maybe destroyed. Anyone square that circle ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭ps200306


    A story of nukes, coal, and solar ...

    The Bruce nuclear power plant in Ontario generates over 7 gigawatts of zero-carbon energy. Construction started over fifty years ago, a second phase was constructed and has been operational for over 35 years. Up to 2016 it was the largest nuke on the planet. In spite of its age, the plant is fitted with an advanced safety system and is capable of load-following with a steam bypass system. With refurbishment it will remain operational for at least another forty years. Cost of electricity in 2017 was under US$50/MWh. Allowing for complete refurbishment costs, the averaged cost of electricity from 2016 to 2064 (a nearly half century period) will be US$60/MWh in 2017 dollars.

    Bruce helped replace the Nanticoke 4 gigawatt pulverised coal-fired plant, the largest coal plant in North America. It emitted the best part of 20 million tonnes of CO2 annually at peak, and hundreds of millions of tonnes over its 40 year life. It burned 35,000 tonnes of coal every day (compared to Bruce's two tonnes of uranium). After decommissioning, the Nanticoke Solar Facility was built on the coal plant site. 230 acres of solar panels generate a measly 44 MW. After 15 months of operation it celebrated its 100,000th MWh of generation ... about the same amount that Bruce generates (reliably and non-intermittently) in 15 hours.

    A tour of Bruce (skip all the Justin Bieber nonsense):




  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 18,211 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Because they are driven by ideology and not reason. You can't have a discussion with Greenies because they're driven by idealogy. Rational thinking, reasoning and logic goes out the window.



Advertisement