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Bike trailer, mad, bad, dangerous?

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  • 01-10-2022 11:00pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭


    I'm thinking of taking the plunge and buying a trailer for commuting with my two under 3 (dropping them off at a creche). I've always hated the idea, to be 100% honest, but it seems more practical than the bike seat and crossbar seat combo.

    I imagine pros are:

    Kids probably more comfortable

    Rain shouldn't be an issue


    Cons:

    Cost of trailer

    Safety?

    Lugging the yoke around with me after dropoff


    It'd be good to hear peoples experiences or if i'm right about the pros and cons. People who use them seem positive about them in general I'd say. A secondary question would be is it worth getting the better brands or are they all basically the same?



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,901 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I've never used one but have seen a few and know some here used them for years. Kids love them, drivers appear to give more space to them. Having seen some test videos on here a few years ago, I'd say they are safer than most options once the kid is buckled in as they are effectively a roll cage. For this reason, if i had to buy one, I'd buy premium, those companies rely on positive reviews and I imagine have a bit more r&d into safety.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,990 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    The kids will be at the same level of the exhaust of every vehicle you pass. Don't think I'd like to be that near the exhaust of a petrol never a coal rolling diesel.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,251 ✭✭✭CantGetNoSleep


    The other option you might want to look at is an Urban Arrow type front loading cargo bike. Most are electric assist but some brands do non-electric too. Would be a whole different price range (the electric ones probably start at around 5000), but if you could potentially use it to replace a car you are looking at a huge net saving when you factor in running costs. I'm currently in the market for one for the creche run too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 874 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    Never tried one but I'd be concerned about not being able to see them when travelling along. Also that someone could hit you from behind and they would take the impact. The front loading ones, cargo bikes like Urban Arrow mentioned above would seem a better option to me. Prices of them are mad though.

    I'm thinking about sourcing an alu mountain bike frame and a Bafang mid drive kit to try build one for the craic. I personally don't see why they cost >€5k. But then again I can't see why a normal bike is as expensive 🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,251 ✭✭✭CantGetNoSleep


    I was looking at a Riese and Muller one yesterday - looked great, safe and comfortable, but was closer to 9k. I was really trying to figure out where they got that from. But I do on the other hand ride a 5k carbon road bike.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    In a study is was worse for car drivers as the cars suck in that air at bumper height to the cabin. Then pedestrians. Cyclists are least effected as they spend least time beside it.

    Unless you cycle at walking pace and your journey is constantly in traffic. You should be better cycling. You might also have option to take a quieter road on a bicycle.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,433 ✭✭✭Gerry


    I use bike trailer occasionally for bringing my kid to creche.

    It saves a lot of time. much quicker and more predictable than car. And a decent workout.. can get a few intervals in!

    safety is a concern, theres bike lane for maybe 2/3 of the journey. But so far car drivers seem to be patient and giving a lot more room than if I was out on a proper spin in the dreaded lycra. A lot will be parents on the school run and while I'd have general concerns about their driving they are looking out for kids. I am keeping up with traffic so presumably that helps also.

    You need to watch out for potholes.

    My trailer is halfords and doesnt have much cushioning to it.

    The only incident of note happened after dropoff with an empty trailer as I went down to builders providers to pickup a few bits. I guess this is not a route that would see bike trailers much but no excuse.. far as they knew when close passing there were kids in the trailer.

    So you need to assess based on your route. The front loaders probably have some advantages, depending on the type they look a bit top heavy though



  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭brocbrocach


    Ah those front loaders are obscene money. I can't see why as they're mostly bulky 'dutch' looking yokes. I can buy the carrier and crossbar seats for under €90 so that's my starting point. As mentioned above I'd probably be looking for a good brand from the safety pov but those are very pricey too.

    Maybe second hand wouldn't be a bad option? Most people presumably offload them when kids get too big.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,901 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    From a physics vs feelings perspective, a good trailer would be safer than a cargo bike in my opinion. Having watched the test videos, a good one will act like a cage, that can roll and bounce with the hit, taking the energy out of the hit. A cargo bike doesn't do that, but you have the feel good factor of being able to see them.

    Long story short, I don't see any actual (although lots of perceived) danger.

    Also do such collisions happen enough for it to be even a consideration.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Had a Burley Encore trailer for a year which I used to tow using my road bike or dutch bike, the little lad really loved it and I had managed a good few trips of 10-20miles with it but most trips were 3-4miles. Rain wise it was bullet proof and I did find that for the most part motorists did gave it a lot of space, the other aspect is because it was so wide I had to cycle pretty far out on the lane.

    Although we only have the one I had opted for a double trailer for two reason, extra space but also it could convert to a stroller. The downside as I learned is the extra width as a stroller/trailer can also be pretty limiting in relation where you can go. (using a double stroller with twins must be a nightmare for parents!).

    In August I finally switched to a electric assist cargobike, this wasn't because of a fault with the trailer. It was down to the terrain I had to cycle, it was hilly and the trailer was just not enjoyable on any level. If you have a flat route though the trailer should be fine. The cargobike was a lot of money but I see it as a long term option (say next 5 years) instead of a second car. Rain wise its also bullet proof with the full rain cover on.

    I've had upto 80kg of stuff loaded in it from the local co-op, I've done full shops and of course the little lad gets brought to creche and he loves it. One upshot over the trailer is I can chat to him which is great. But I will say he cannot sleep properly like he could in the trailer sadly.

    I still have the trailer but truth be told I'll only be using it on green and blueway routes and that only because I'd need a van or a trailer on the car to get the cargobike to those locations due to distance 😀




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭Ferris


    I have used a double trailer and the kids like it. Its not however the most pleasant to tow (ebike) as there is a fair bit of push pull and a 'tail wagging the dog' feeling but its manageable. Problem now is that all routes to my area now have 'temporary' cycle lanes and I am nervous about trying to tow the trailer on them as they are very narrow. I would love an urban arrow or similar but thats not really going to happen anytime soon.

    A possible compromise would be a longtail cargo bike like a Yuba, Radwagon or the Decathalon one. They have a lot of advantages, basically they are just a longer bike, they fit well down cycle lanes and they tend to not be as expensive as the front loader cargo bikes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6 SteelyC


    I don’t post here really but happened to spot this thread when I was looking for something else and I’m always keen for a chat about trailers!

    I’ve been using one for commuting and touring for around 5 years now. Only one kid at a time; the first until they were riding their own bike at about 4 and then the second from a few months old. I also have a long wheelbase cargo bike with a child seated mounted on the rear but I just haven’t got into using it for the kid, I keep going back to the trailer.

    I think something to take into account on the pros and cons list is that a standard rear-mounted child carrier isn’t necessarily safer – if you take a spill then the kid will also hit the ground and it’s a long way down for them. Whereas with the trailer the roll-cage (if it’s a good one) provides some protection if you do manage to tip it. I also feel that I’d be more likely to take a fall with the child seat because of the high centre of gravity, particularly with a bigger kid who moves around, waves etc. In contrast the trailer is low and stable. I’ve only ever tipped it once and that was when it was empty and I was too ambitious with hopping onto a kerb!

    So for me the safety is more about being hit by cars rather than falling, and I actually think I am less likely to be hit with the trailer than with the seat. Drivers tend to give me a wider berth with the trailer than they do when I’m just on my bike myself, and also are more likely to hold back and wait for a safer place (I’m sure they hate me). I also have the thing as visible as possible – flag, reflectors, spoke reflectors, lights, and I replaced the waterproof cover it came with with a homemade one which is bright yellow with retroreflective strips.

    I also agree with what you say about comfort for the kid. Ours is warm and dry, can play with toys or look at a book, and can sleep. We've done some really long days on tripcs and he's been happy in there for hours. We can also store a load of gear on the trailer for touring trips, or it’s handy even just for daytrips. And we use it as a buggy a lot as well – it's big, but really easy to walk or run with.

    It is a total faff to store, luckily the creche we use allows us to leave it there during the day. If it wasn’t for that I probably would be using the cargobike more because I don’t really have anywhere to store the trailer at work plus it would take me much longer to get to work from the creche because the streets on my route are narrow with awful traffic and I can’t filter with the trailer. The other big disadvantage for me is not being able to chat to the child, I sometimes feel like he's a bit abandoned back there.

    So I’m totally pro-trailer, for the combination of practicality and safety. I like the idea of the Bakfiets but can’t justify the cost plus the fact that it doesn’t convert – the rest of my commute (after dropping the child) would very annoying.

    The trailer I have is an old model Chariot Cougar. It's got a nice comfortable 'cockpit' for the child, decent suspension and is just generally sturdy and well-designed. it rolls nicely and doesn't affect my steering; it's obviously heavy to tow (trailer itself is around 11kg I think, plus child), but can't really avoid that with any trailer. They’re expensive but I got it second hand and have used it so much, it’s easily the best cycling or child-related money I’ve spent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    Hi - where are you based? I have one sitting idle in my shed that my kids have long outgrown, you're more than welcome to it if you want to give it a try without buying something.



  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭brocbrocach


    That's very kind of you! That's probably what I need to do, see how it works in real life. I'm in Dublin 3, I don't know if you're anywhere near?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,079 ✭✭✭buffalo


    I have both a trailer and a three-wheeled cargo bike. I haven't had them very long, but I'll give you the pros and cons so far.

    Cargo bike: more 'fun' for kids (they can sit on a bench and wave and smile at people), and more social for you and them (easy to chat). Great for carrying cargo (this might be obvious) as the box is study and the bike doesn't have to balance. Easy to get going, just wheel out of the shed, stick the roof on in under a minute and away you go. BUT they're more awkward for parking and not quite as manoeuvrable. The wooden benches aren't as comfy, but we've just invested in some cushions to try sort that out.

    Trailer: great for longer trips where the kids can fall asleep and be cosy. My one converts into a buggy, so we use it to cycle to the park and then walk/run in the park with it, so we only have to park a normal bike. Completely rainproof, and cosy in a way the cargo box is not. BUT pain in the hoop connecting and disconnecting from the bike - very fiddly, takes me up to five minutes most times. If you're doing a regular commute every day, I'd just be leaving it attached, which might not suit for storage or other bike use. (That could be an issue limited to my model though.) It's a lot easier to ride with, but on tight corners I have to keep checking rearward for clearance. edit: and obviously, not as social for you and the kids.

    In terms of safety, I find people give the trailer more room on the road when overtaking. I was surprised by the lack of space given to the cargo bike (i.e. same as a normal bike). I think the general public are more aware of trailers carrying kids - or it's more obvious when approaching from behind there's a trailer - but whatever the reason I haven't had a bad experience with the trailer on the road.

    I got both of them second-hand but in good condition ~€1k for cargo bike, ~€700 for trailer (it was like new).



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    I'm in Cork I'm afraid, bit far for a test run!



  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭brocbrocach


    Ha! It'd want to be a long commute alright! Appreciate the thought though!



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    I used a Chariot Cougar trailer (think they're branded as Thule now), which was pricey, but great. I ended up using it mostly as a stroller though, walking thousands of kilometres with it, because too many people in my family thought it was dangerous with the first-born. I still did use it for cycling round with her, albeit not as much as I'd originally hoped, and I found it fine when I did; people gave me plenty of room. Then with two kids we got a bakfiets, the cheaper non-electric version, which family had far fewer safety concerns about, and which I'm still using to transport the second child to school over six years later.

    I still use the Cougar Chariot to carry flat-pack furniture from Ikea and stuff like that. It really paid for itself. Never regretted buying it.

    I think you want to pick quieter routes if possible. I mean, I'd apply that to cycling solo too, to some extent, but your options for emergecy manoeuvres with a cargo bike or a traller are not as numerous.

    If I had to pick one, I'd definitely pick the bakfiets, as I found it more generally useful for carrying kids, and for much longer, and there's no assembling and disassembling. But I have good options for storage, which is probably where cargo bikes fall down. (Well, there's price and weight as well, but the plain bakfiets was affordable enough for us; I'm used to the weight now, but it does take a bit out of you.)



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