FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

Wrecklessly spending 11 billion, in a hark to the insane pre celtic tiger budget giveaways, is total and utter lunacy! And they wont get thanked for it in the polls... At this state, decades of appalling governance, they are goosed, you cant just waffle and deflect for decades and not expect to run out of road. I hope to god , at the very least, they now stop this nonsense of massively mismanaging the state finances and accept that just flashing the credit card is nowhere near enough at this stage. 54,000 ukranians in ireland now.The calibre of irish politician is a disgrace, all weak , weasels.

After decades of talking about it, it still takes years or decades for housing or infrastructure projects to come to fruition, they have done nothing about the bullshit endless legal challenges, that can hold up development...

"One benefit of last week’s budget splurge of €11 billion is that it may be sufficient antidote to keep politics off the streets this winter. If it does, it has probably met its main objective.

It has done the Government no good politically, however, if opinion polls are correct. This is now a country where people can no longer be bought with their own money. If true, that is an appalling vista for politics.

It raises the more profound question of why the Government is chasing the rainbow of public support, with public money, in ways the ultimately bear down on the young and the houseless. It is not just that support from these groups has plummeted for Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael, the conversation has stopped.

The row about a levy on concrete blocks tells all we need to know about where power lies and how it is exercised. It is questionable if solidarity with those afflicted by mica in their homes should extend to rebuilding houses sometimes beyond the size of an average home. That cost is borne in part by those, overwhelmingly younger, who can’t afford any house of their own.

The idea of a levy is a good one, however. It expands the tax base on a once-off basis. The obvious place for a levy was to add it to our feeble property tax. Putting it, instead, on blocks increases the cost for all buildings, from new houses to productive infrastructure. Home owners who are overwhelmingly a little better off than the houseless young, would have contributed something back.

If you are housed and over 50 you are better off by accident simply because we house-hunted in the right decade. You are also cruising towards an old age pension years before you are likely to be incapable of further work. In a final display of bad manners, you will probably enjoy indecent longevity afterwards.

But this is where power lies, and how it is exercised. The parlour game of reshuffles is of little consequence to anyone except those immediately involved. But for them, it is all. Outside, the social contract is broken. Even €11 billion is not enough wallpaper to cover over the cracks."

You aren jmcc can talk all you like about the polls, I don't mind.

The issue is that they give zero guidance to what will happen in the next general election. Things may change dramatically, or only a little, but they will change substantively.

Oh, I expect the local and European elections to go the way of these polls. Then when that is out of people's systems, we will see whether it is long-lasting or not.

Not until you make it so. You don't have to answer with a War and Peace contibution like earlier.

Do the guilty parties have €3 billion lying around to pay for this? Of course they don't, it is silly populism to suggest that the guilty parties fund it.

I don't have a party.

Are you accusing me of being a bot for a party? If not, apologise.

Do you consider it just that those who are innocent should have to pay?

Regards...jmcc

That horse has bolted the gov is spending 11 billion now to try and win some support back and to play some mind games with the Shinners its just not enough. The tax payer looking at this sees their costs that they have to stump up for mica/pyrite blocks, HSE, Public sector pay and pensions, our welfare rates and then we look at our p1ss poor services that they are paying through the nose for and they are not fit for purpose as one poster put it we pay Northern European amounts in taxes for a Eastern European style public service along with L'Oréal rates for welfare and public sector pay and pensions. . The country is banjaxed and giving these gobsh1tes more money to throw on the bonfire that is Ireland Inc is not the way to go, we tried it. 11 Billion this year and 240Billion up until now. This borrowing is and will be a lot more expensive as time goes by. How much more do we have to needlessly throw away before the penny drops that our kids and grand kids are going to pay for this in taxes and an even poorer public service that is unless they have emigrated. It is time to look at what we are spending and hard decisions like telling refugees that we are full and there is no room in the inn is part of it. The country needs a reset starting with a route and branch commission report on spending and our public services and welfare. I find it comical that the powers that be can put one of these together for more taxes when over 90Billion is being spent this year. Its an absolute joke

The baiting? Do you mean that where someone accuses another of being a party bot that they are baiting?

Well actually, they did have regulations in place, but Donegal County Council, among others, didn't implement them (once more we are back to my second favourite topic - the incompetence of local government), we could increase LPT in the areas that are subject to mica, making those counties pay for it themselves. That would be fairer than lumping the whole country with the bill.

For those that are truly interested in polling results, and not the spin that is put on them, here is a website with a methodology of prediction that turns polls into seats.

FF/FG/Greens within 5 seats of being returned.

SF hoovering up the left.

The issue is we have such a surplus as they are squeezing the life out of tax payers and they have the corpo tax which leaves us in the same position pre 08 bust, paying bills using a 20 billion a year windfall in corpo tax that we dont control and can disappear as easily as stamp duty did back in 08 did and this is a disaster waiting to happen (again) I mean over 90 billion spent and we still have one of the worst public services going.

Buyer beware you are you phucking having a laugh? If someone buys something legally in this country under consumer law if its not working or faulty you have the right to return it for a refund or to have it fixed. I don't see why this rule should not apply for the most expensive purchase you will ever buy. Buyer beware will you please stop smelling what your shoveling over there. There are enough people to chase between the quarry owners, the builders, the banks (who provided mortgages) and all of their insurers and the political regulators that should be made pony up for the cash.

We already may a myriad of tases in this country and no more not one cent more in additional taxes should be paid until there is a commission on spend and where we can save on waste, as for LTP I have outlined the myriad of taxes and other costs that the home owner has to pay so no they pay enough already I find it disgusting that you want these people to pay more for an issue they had no hand act or part in.

No like I said start with the political watch dogs both ex and current politicians and councilors who should of overseen better governance of this kind of work. Its time we hit the political class where it hurts their pocket. I bet if they were on the hook for the cost there would be a new found will to actually target the people who actually brought these blocks from quarry to the actual build.