Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Very good. Thought it shows how divorced from reality Boris and his cabinet were and how they were more intetested in 'having something to say' whether right or wrong than helping the people they were elected to supposedly serve.

Boris and his pregnant fiancee spent much of their time entertaining and away from Downing St either oblivious or uncaring .. Reminded me of King Louis V1 and Marie Antoinette !

When you say impact of unvaccinated, do you mean people that didn't get the 1st/2nd booster or fully unvaccinated? because I find it hard to believe that ,since 15 months, the usual bunch of unvaccinated come in and out of the hospital.

Those questions ARE being asked... And if its a valid question, looked into.

But lets be prepared to listen to the answers.

Some people are quick to jump to 'the vaccines are to blame'

And if the results are.. Covid infection however mild, is to blame?

Will it be fobbed off as a whitewash or a conspiracy?

I regularly have posted studies here as have others which clearly state either it is or it isn't an issue.

Have you read any of them with an open mind?

Only people ignoring the issues are those who won't even read these studies without declaring them fearmongering or flatly refusing saying" Covid is over! "..

I gave up posting them unless someone asks me for the information now.

@darconio Poland had one of the highest excess death rate in the world in 2021. And one of the lowest vaccine take in the developed world as well. Go figure that out...

Of course I will believe you, but you didn't answer my question though! You said the unvaccinated are causing a strain in the health system, however it appears that is not the unvaccinated, but the ones that didn't complete the full cycle of 2 + 2 + bivalent jab. Beside it looks like many tested positive while admitted for other causes

Covid-19: hospital cases rise sharply over three weeks – The Irish Times

Sixty patients admitted to hospital with Covid daily as winter surge looms - Independent.ie

Now I am not good at math, does that mean that 3 in five received their booster but still were admitted in hospital for/with Covid? What about the remaining 30%? What was their age/vaccination status?

And again:

Yet in the vaccine leaflet:

I was forced to administer ONLY Calpol (basically enhanced ribena) to my young son when he was sick because anything else would have been too strong, yet we should inject them with not 1 but 2 doses of a drug that, regardless of what they want us to believe, is still in trial and according to the same pharma company that produce it, it is not suitable.

You are right though, regardless of whatever study we post, it won't change anybody's opinions about vaccination: I am fine with that, I don't need to convince anybody, as long as we don't go back to the old mantra of the "pandemic of the unvaccinated" or the unvaccinated are the root of all evil

I note you highlighted one part of the sentence but ignored the other?

Yes your maths are wrong . Read that again .

That leaflet is UK regs .....are you posting from the UK ?

If you had read about the vaccine for 5 to 11 year olds you would know that the dose approved for children of that age is one third that of older children and adults ...EMA approved .

So you don't agree with vaccination , and all of this blather since yesterday about young people dropping like flies was seeking to try to make that point somehow , without making that point ?

A bit dishonest, darconio.

Yea nobody wants to go back to that pandemic of the unvaccinated, least of all healthcare staff.

And as for the unvaccinated being the root of all evil ? Well that's just an ignorant thing to say .

Not trying to be dishonest however reading that article is far from being the unvaccinated as you claimed putting a strain in the health system

As of September 27th, about 70 per cent of cases of hospitalised for Covid-19 (what about the remaining 30%) were people aged 65 years and older. Of these, more than one in four had not completed their primary two-dose Covid-19 vaccine course (Means that 1 in four had at least 1 dose and 3 in 4 had their 2 doses) and about two in five had not yet received a booster dose (Means that 2 in 5 had no booster and 3 in five had their booster).

Yes the unvaccinated were treated as the degenerates that caused the spread of the virus, fortunately that has been cleared up

With regard to the unexplained excess deaths there is finally some compiled data coming from UK:

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiYmUwNmFhMjYtNGZhYS00NDk2LWFlMTAtOTg0OGNhNmFiNGM0IiwidCI6ImVlNGUxNDk5LTRhMzUtNGIyZS1hZDQ3LTVmM2NmOWRlODY2NiIsImMiOjh9

All interactive and self explanatory.

Page 3 (by age group) and 8 (by cause of death) are interesting. It appears that cohorts under 65 years of age are more affected and that heart failure/disease dominates as the cause of death.

Edit: Also what transpires is that heart failure/heart disease/circulatory disease deaths were on the rise since mid 2021.

No there was a hysterical PANICdemic of the unvaccinated by all forms of media! Typical example of the no debate one sidedness of the pandemic. No reasoned debate only what was trotted out by the usual suspects in media. I hope we never experience this ever again! Absolutely disgusting behaviour that went on and I have lost respect for people that engaged in it!

People should be encouraged absolutely yes to get the vaccine and I am glad I got mine BY CHOICE. You get the vaccine you take a risk. You don`t take the vaccine you also take a risk! Yes and in time the vaccine will get better and better as it needs time for scientists to improve it and I believe it will eventually stop transmission. But I categorically do not support the unvaccinated campaign that went on with politicians, medics, professors, celebrities and so called social media influencers who engaged in it should be ashamed of themselves!

This whole episode has angered me so much. They were on the media yesterday again yesterday about some independent report about Irelands response. I believe we will pay and are paying a huge price with backlogs, missed diagnosis, adult/children`s mental health, addiction issue increase, domestic abuse increase and conditions that have yet to appear due to Irelands overly long lockdown policies.

Thankfully and hopefully we are moving on because quite frankly at this stage we have to!

The vaccine mandates were justified imo. The vaccines versus the strains in circulation at the time significantly prevented transmission and if you were going to have people in pubs, restaurants you did not want them to be unvaccinated as if they did get covid - disproportionate risk of severe covid. The establishments were shut pre-vaccine. If you don't want to get the vaccine don't, but it was warranted to treat vaccinated and unvaccinated differently in such settings. To suggest there was no reasoned debate is without merit or foundation.

Lots of crimes dropped during lockdown. Yet no mention of that on your one sided balance sheet.

What price would we have paid without the restrictions?

The balance sheet is far more complicated than the picture you present.

Good thread here on the rhetoric in the media, in case the usual gaslighting that it never happened comes up.

Mandates were NEVER justified, there was evidence of breakthrough infections coming from Israel as early as February 2021, along with adverse effects.

The figure you quoted from reducing transmission by 34% is within a household. So yes that is significant in that context.

Vaccine mandates were about environments with less contact.

Other studies from Sweden showed in the months after vaccination that showed

vaccine effectiveness was 89% (79 to 94; p<0·001) at 15–30 days and 66% (41 to 80; p<0·001) from day 121 onwards

SO if you're not infected you're not going to transmit it.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)00089-7/fulltext

And the vaccine mandates were also about reducing the risk of hospitalisation for people who did socialise in high risk environments etc and get infected.

The poster referenced an increase in a particular crime as one of the negatives on the balance sheet. So it is entirely valid therefore to mention the drop in other crimes on the balance sheet.

Also, I'm not defending all aspects of Ireland's response. But we were not the only ones who applied vaccine mandates, it wasn't something we made up. I think we should have opened up earlier especially in summers. I think there were times when Level 3 was needed not full lockdown.

The FFG government will not sanction such an inquiry. No chance. RTE won't be allowed do one either.

They may allow a whitewash like the Mother and Baby home report.

Shane Coleman? King of the bootlickers and a complete dweeb alright.