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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,633 ✭✭✭White Clover


    Does anyone here run Rouge Sheep? I see a few ads on Done Deal and they are described as the ultimate sheep in my eyes!

    Milky ewes that scan around 200% and Rouge sired offspring have a high kill out %.

    Any first hand experience from any posters here?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,211 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    Most of them are very wild and flighty.

    Good milky mothers and good mothering instincts, good k/o % and fairly easily finished.


    Had a couple of rams over the years just to introduce different blood lines to the flock however now days I prefer messing with Belclare and texel. Less likely hood of getting flattened.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    Had 2 here before and had soft yellow feet that constantly needed attention



  • Registered Users Posts: 652 ✭✭✭k mac


    For the ram effect to be effective i know it says for the ram effect to work the ewes must be out of sight, sound and smell of male sheep (including male lambs) for at least 28 days, when they say male lambs would this include wethers, i currently have the ewes in with this years ram lambs that were banded as they are on the best grass, does this mean i would have to separate them again for 28 days?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,184 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    I've wether lambs with the ewelambs and they don't seem to be sniffing around them, they were castrated with rings at a day old, they're just behaving the same as the ewe lambs



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,266 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Has anyone on here got any experience of Shropshire sheep? Looking to get a few to run through a bit of forestry and keep it in check.



  • Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭joe35



    Dosed with noromectin last Saturday fortnight. Took a sample there on Monday, 16 days later



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,184 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Good result, to keep it working is the problem.

    Just a heads up for everyone, I was weighing lambs on Monday and there was no maggots, but there was 5 cases this evening.

    Three of them are going to the factory in the morning so I just poured salt and water on them. the lambs were 8 weeks done with Clikzin



  • Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭joe35


    Yea had a touch of maggots here this morning.


    Going dipping next Saturday and wondering what's people's thoughts on a fluke does and a mineral drench for ewes pre tupping.

    We never dose mature ewes here but think a fluke dose is needed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Fluke and mineral drench always given the ewes and hoggets pre tupping here, just to make sure there in their best condition. If your ground over the autumn and winter can be anyway wet or some water ling in it after heavy rain it would always no harm to fluke. The likes of Endo fluke is cheap enough anyway



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,184 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    We don't have fluke but we give animax sheep and lamb to the ewes, I think it helps, we've a cobalt/iodine deficiency on the farm anyway



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,687 ✭✭✭Bleating Lamb


    I have a few mature ewes quite dirty of their ends……would normally dose with something like Flukivor and also give them mineral drench a few weeks before letting ram out to ewes.

    Thinking I might give them all a good Fluke and Worms combination dose like Supaverm instead,just in case they have any worm burden (especially dirty ended ones)…..or is that overkill as Supaverm isn’t cheap in fairness.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,184 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    The advice now is not to dose ewes for worms

    We never worm dose the adult ewes , We dose the hogget ewes at weaning but that's the oldest sheep we'd be dosing,

    they're getting dirty now because of the wet grass



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,687 ✭✭✭Bleating Lamb


    What worm dose you do give the hoggetts at weaning Wrangler?

    Having seen pictures of your ground I can assure you it would be a lot drier than most of my land 🙂……

    With the steeps of rain falling on and off in last 10 days and nights a lot of good grass getting trampled into the ground here by stock …happening on a lot of farms I would say.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,184 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    We use what ever dose we're using on the lambs that year, We've found that putting ewe lambs in lambs hard on them and as hoggets they can be thin at mating. Giving them a dose at weaning seems to solve that problem. Interestingly teagasc are advising a dose for hoggets at weaning now too.

    We're fairly well set up here for paddocks so if they were trampling a lot of grass we'd split the paddocks with an electric fence. Like you say they waste a lot of grass in bad weather



  • Registered Users Posts: 652 ✭✭✭k mac


    Have 2 ewes i intended to cull because although both reared 2 lambs about their 3 or 4th crop, one was hard lambed and the other prolapsed. But after looking at the marts online think they would go very small money they are only about 55kgs as they lambed late april and were left with the lambs until august. Not worth my while bring them to the mart so considering my options, could i run them with the ram and sell them in lamb (if scanned in lamb) next march and just advice any potential buyer of there problems. Other option is i have loads of grass so not put them to the ram and just let them fatten over time and bring to the factory next march/april.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,633 ✭✭✭White Clover


    Option 2 if you can keep them from the rams. You might only get 70 for them now but could get 120 - 140 in April. Question is, is it worth the hassle for €100?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    Can someone who was not in the present sheep improvement scheme enter the new one? Already have sheep for a number of years



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Yes you have to wait till next January though and join then. They will go off the amount of breeding sheep on your census for that year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭roosky


    GHi all, I’m upgrading a shed and need to buy a few feed barriers and walk through feeders.

    so far I priced o Donovan’s, Cormac and Condon is there anyone else that makes them, I have o’Donnelly.

    also have you any general tips or things to avoid when buying barriers and walk throughs !

    TIA



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    When the date opens for joining usually January time (new scheme next year, in a least 1 out of the 3 years you have to designate a year that you buy a genotyped ram) you can request an application off the sheep improvement scheme in Johnstown castle by ringing them directly, once that's filled out and you have chosen what tasks you will carry out it will be set up. Not sure on the payment dates though.

    Thats the jist of what I got out of them at the ploughing as I am in the same boat, used do store lambs for years but have gone back to into the sheep



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭Tileman


    Bought mine from Stanley last year, good job and sound lads



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,211 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    Try Stanleys and Bo Steel



  • Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭Jd310


    What fluke dose would be recommended for ewes before tipping this time of year. I’ve all hoggets bar 4/5 older ewes, want to get them all dosed and ready for the ram.

    Also have a small number of inlamb hoggets that are lambing at Christmas, would the same fluke dose be safe enough on them? They were recently scanned during the week.

    Im in a wet area in the Northwest



  • Registered Users Posts: 652 ✭✭✭k mac


    If you had a choice of buying a pedigree registered ram lamb with stars but thats fit for breeding but small, or a bigger ordinary 2 year old ram which would be the best buy in people's opinion. Should have said for the same money



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,016 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988




  • Registered Users Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Mad about baa baas


    If you think the lamb will grow I'd go with him. Plain lad will only get plainer



  • Registered Users Posts: 652 ✭✭✭k mac


    Ya he possibly will grow from a pedigree breeder who says he's just a bit small was one of 2 lambs on a ewe that didn't just get going. Hes a vendeen



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭Western Pomise


    A lot of people scimp on what they will pay for a ram and then wonder why they end up with poor lambs.The ram provides 50% of the genes with each ewe it mates with.Times that by your total female flock and rams importance increases exponentially.

    You need to judge if the ram lamb would be strong enough to tip the tallest of your ewes,if so he’s a better buy than the plain older ram.

    Bear in mind though that 20 ewes is enough to put with a ram lamb.



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